Ron Paul "Do Not Vote for McCain"

WOW ... could this hurt McCain? Ron Paul has urged his supporters to NOT vote for John McCain but to vote for a third party candidate.

Do you have a source on that Bman? I know he turned down the offer to endorse McCain, but didn't hear about urging supporters not to vote for him. At any rate, this might hurt McCain, but I have my doubts it will make a difference to most. I'm not terribly surprised. He is a Republican by name more than anything. I actually have a lot of respect for him. He says what he means regardless of who hears.

Paul rejects plea to endorse McCain
By SUZANNE GAMBOA – 1 hour ago

WASHINGTON (AP) — Republican Rep. Ron Paul, the Libertarian-leaning lawmaker who attracted a devoted following in the GOP primaries, said Wednesday he rejected an appeal to endorse John McCain's presidential bid.

And Paul said the request came from Phil Gramm, the former McCain adviser whom the campaign jettisoned after he said the country was a "nation of whiners" about the economy.

Speaking to reporters at a news conference, Paul said Gramm called him this week and told him, "you need to endorse McCain." The Texas congressman refused.

"The idea was that he would do less harm than the other candidate," Paul said.

Paul won no primaries in the Republican nomination contest but developed a strong following on the Internet.

He appeared at a news conference with third-party candidates, including Ralph Nader and former Georgia Democratic Rep. Cynthia McKinney. Paul suggested backing the non-major party candidates.

I hope Ron Paul fucks some shit up. I'd vote for him for president if I could.

Jugomugo wrote:I hope Ron Paul fucks some shit up. I'd vote for him for president if I could.

I've been looking for a Ron Paul '08 bumper sticker...

Anyone have any ideas?

So you mean someone who is really an independent is calling for people to vote for independents and this is actually a news story? Where's the story staying Hillary urges people not to vote for Republicans? And the story saying Rush urges people to not vote Democrats? The three are all the same...

Bman wrote:Paul rejects plea to endorse McCain
By SUZANNE GAMBOA – 1 hour ago

WASHINGTON (AP) — Republican Rep. Ron Paul, the Libertarian-leaning lawmaker who attracted a devoted following in the GOP primaries, said Wednesday he rejected an appeal to endorse John McCain's presidential bid.

And Paul said the request came from Phil Gramm, the former McCain adviser whom the campaign jettisoned after he said the country was a "nation of whiners" about the economy.

Speaking to reporters at a news conference, Paul said Gramm called him this week and told him, "you need to endorse McCain." The Texas congressman refused.

"The idea was that he would do less harm than the other candidate," Paul said.






Paul won no primaries in the Republican nomination contest but developed a strong following on the Internet.

He appeared at a news conference with third-party candidates, including Ralph Nader and former Georgia Democratic Rep. Cynthia McKinney. Paul suggested backing the non-major party candidates.

September 10, 2008, 3:01 PM
Paul Urges Voters To Back Third Party Candidates
Posted by Brian Montopoli


Ron Paul, the Libertarian-leaning Congressman and former Republican presidential candidate who has attracted has a small but passionate following, today said he would not be endorsing John McCain for president.

According to the Associated Press, Paul said today that former McCain advisor Phil Gramm called Paul and encouraged him to back the Arizona senator. Paul refused.

Instead, Paul urged voters to back a third party candidate such as Cynthia McKinney, Bob Barr, Ralph Nader or Chuck Baldwin, all of whom appeared with Paul today. Paul supports these candidates because he believes they agree with him on what he considers to be four key issues: balancing budgets, bringing troops home, protecting personal liberties and investigating the Federal Reserve.

"The two parties and their candidates have no real disagreements on foreign policy, monetary policy, privacy issues, or the welfare state," Paul said, according to his prepared remarks. He added that the time has come to recognize that "the only way not to waste one’s vote is to reject the two establishment candidates and join the majority, once called silent, and allow the voices of the people to be heard."

"At a time when 60% of the American people are dissatisfied with their presidential choices, this could be the year that third party option bring in a big chunk of the vote," Paul spokesman Jesse Benton said in an email to CBS News. "That would really be something!"


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Ron Paul wrote:"The two parties and their candidates have no real disagreements on foreign policy, monetary policy, privacy issues, or the welfare state," Paul said, according to his prepared remarks. He added that the time has come to recognize that "the only way not to waste one’s vote is to reject the two establishment candidates and join the majority, once called silent, and allow the voices of the people to be heard."

Fortunately, Paul eats up a lot of republican voters from what I've seen. Drawing more votes away from McCain.

Ron Paul is the man, and everything he said was right on the money.

Jugo, you may be right but of the Ron Paul supporters I'm familiar with the majority would fall into the Obama demographic. This is of course colored by my exposure to college students.

Vis wrote:Jugo, you may be right but of the Ron Paul supporters I'm familiar with the majority would fall into the Obama demographic. This is of course colored by my exposure to college students.

That would be interesting statistic to see ... will those college aged Paul supporters go third party or will they swing back with their demographic counterparts and support Obama.

Jugomugo wrote:
Ron Paul is the man, and everything he said was right on the money.

Except of course when you realize that he'd throw the nation into a depression worse than we had in the 30's. His elimination of the income tax and relying on excise tax and tariffs alone would throw the price of gas well past anything we've ever seen and/or considered.

We thought the economy slowed at $4 gas, imagine it at $8 within 12 months...

He is right in wanting to drastically scale down the fed gov't, but his methods for funding them are pretty much unrealistic and would probably kill the country.

Not to mention eliminating the Federal Reserve could do who knows what sort of damage to the entire countries economic system.

I think he's got some good ideas, and since he promotes overturning a lot of what the gov't stands for today, he's got a lot of "passionate" supporters. The problem is hardly any actually look at the results of what his positions would mean.


I do find it rather odd though that you support Paul so staunchly yet you oppose McCain.. as he said, they are virtually the same, with the exception of McCain's economic policies not being paramount to sending America back to the dark ages.

OMG WHAT A HILARIOUS DAY

S.C. Dem chair: Palin primary qualification is she hasn't had an abortion

South Carolina Democratic chairwoman Carol Fowler sharply attacked Sarah Palin today, saying John McCain had chosen a running mate "whose primary qualification seems to be that she hasn't had an abortion."

Palin is an opponent of abortion rights and gave birth to her fifth child, Trig, earlier this year after finding out during her pregnancy that the baby had Down syndrome.

Fowler told my colleague Alex Burns in an interview that the selection of an opponent of abortion rights would not boost McCain among many women.

"Among Democratic women and even among independent women, I don't think it helped him," she said.

Told of McCain's boost in the new ABC/Washington Post among white women following the Palin pick, Fowler said: "Just anecdotally, I believe that those white women are Republican women anyway."
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Not too far from the truth...

awesome...

ron paul is anti-legal abortion isnt he? and wants to end social security, foster care, food stamps, all those silly cradle-to-grave handouts would be gone. ??

He is pro-life, but I have to give him credit that he thinks those kinds of laws should be left to the individual states. And I can stand behind his stance on eliminated or cutting back on social welfare programs. Leave it to charities.

I've said it before... if the republican party went back to the way it was it used to be, I'd consider voting republican.

Vis wrote:OMG WHAT A HILARIOUS DAY

[i]S.C. Dem chair: Palin primary qualification is she hasn't had an abortion
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Now the update:

UPDATE -- Carol Fowler releases a statement of apology: "I personally admire and respect the difficult choices that women make everyday, and I apologize to anyone who finds my comment offensive. I clumsily was making a point about people in South Carolina who may vote based on a single issue. Whether it’s the environment, the economy, the war or a woman’s right to choose, there are people who will cast their vote based on a single issue. That was the only point I was attempting to make."

color me shocked. Jeez I hate being so cynical.

its exactly what i thought she meant. its the only reason the religious rite women are hot for her.

Vis wrote:OMG WHAT A HILARIOUS DAY

S.C. Dem chair: Palin primary qualification is she hasn't had an abortion

South Carolina Democratic chairwoman Carol Fowler sharply attacked Sarah Palin today, saying John McCain had chosen a running mate "whose primary qualification seems to be that she hasn't had an abortion."

Palin is an opponent of abortion rights and gave birth to her fifth child, Trig, earlier this year after finding out during her pregnancy that the baby had Down syndrome.

Fowler told my colleague Alex Burns in an interview that the selection of an opponent of abortion rights would not boost McCain among many women.

"Among Democratic women and even among independent women, I don't think it helped him," she said.

Told of McCain's boost in the new ABC/Washington Post among white women following the Palin pick, Fowler said: "Just anecdotally, I believe that those white women are Republican women anyway."
link

Bob (from the Bob and Tom Show) made a great point this morning.. McCain doesn't need to do anything, all the other Dem's are shooting BO in the foot better than McCain ever could.

floridafun wrote:its exactly what i thought she meant. its the only reason the religious rite women are hot for her.

One could argue that the only reason some African Americans are "hot" for Barack is b/c he's black.

Cincy Fan 44 wrote:

floridafun wrote:its exactly what i thought she meant. its the only reason the religious rite women are hot for her.

One could argue that the only reason some African Americans are "hot" for Barack is b/c he's black.

Sure some ... but I am estimating (I have heard the number but not going to go google it now) but Kerry got like 92% of the black vote in 2004 and Obama is getting like 96% now, so not that big of a swing.

Video of this...

http://rawstory.com/news/2008/Ron_Paul_offers_support_to_thirdparty_0910.html

Jugomugo wrote:
I've said it before... if the republican party went back to the way it was it used to be, I'd consider voting republican.

That's my biggest hope for McCain (and BO for that matter) that they'll both turn their parties back to actually doing something rather than pointing fingers and saying "see, they are to blame, now vote for me again so I can remind you of that in 4 years."