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Post  Scooby01_98 on Wed Apr 13, 2011 1:14 am

A 6 year old gets this thorough of a pat down. Come on let's use some brain cells here people. Pretty obvious from the video the kid wasn't hiding anything just by the way the clothes fit her.

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Post  Markwes on Wed Apr 13, 2011 8:29 am

I don't know. Thousand of fliers go through the security checkpoints every day, and we always focus on the rare occasion where a kid or little old lady is involved and point to how extreme it is. Yes, they probably went a little overboard. If the parents of the girl made a big stink about this, then it was their decision to bring unneeded national attention to their daughter and could have just moved on and be done with it. I'm pretty sure the kid thought it was no big deal.
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Post  Scooby01_98 on Wed Apr 13, 2011 11:11 am

Markwes wrote:I don't know. Thousand of fliers go through the security checkpoints every day, and we always focus on the rare occasion where a kid or little old lady is involved and point to how extreme it is. Yes, they probably went a little overboard. If the parents of the girl made a big stink about this, then it was their decision to bring unneeded national attention to their daughter and could have just moved on and be done with it. I'm pretty sure the kid thought it was no big deal.

So people should just sit back and let it continue to happen, gov't knows best attitude. I think when things like this happen it should be brought to the attention of the public to correct. Especially when I sit back and think how open our borders are where people can just walk across and the federal gov't turns a blind eye (and accuses those who want to stop/close this open border racist). Which has just a much of chance of letting a terrorist across the border as a 6 year old bring down a plane. So yeah I think small children should get a pass from the pat down.
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Post  Pez on Wed Apr 13, 2011 12:50 pm

Scooby01_98 wrote:
Markwes wrote:I don't know. Thousand of fliers go through the security checkpoints every day, and we always focus on the rare occasion where a kid or little old lady is involved and point to how extreme it is. Yes, they probably went a little overboard. If the parents of the girl made a big stink about this, then it was their decision to bring unneeded national attention to their daughter and could have just moved on and be done with it. I'm pretty sure the kid thought it was no big deal.

So people should just sit back and let it continue to happen, gov't knows best attitude. I think when things like this happen it should be brought to the attention of the public to correct. Especially when I sit back and think how open our borders are where people can just walk across and the federal gov't turns a blind eye (and accuses those who want to stop/close this open border racist). Which has just a much of chance of letting a terrorist across the border as a 6 year old bring down a plane. So yeah I think small children should get a pass from the pat down.

k... so is the presumption here that the TSA agent was trying to cop a feel on the little girl? If not, then I see zero reason for outrage. Scooby said sarcastically that we should sit back and let "it" continue to happen. What is the "it" here? We also don't know if the parents declined the body scanner... which is the only time I have seen or experienced such an intensive pat down.

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Post  Markwes on Wed Apr 13, 2011 9:37 pm

Pez wrote:We also don't know if the parents declined the body scanner... which is the only time I have seen or experienced such an intensive pat down.
I was wondering about that too. Almost has the same ring to it as the "Don't tase me bro" guy, like the parents refused the body scanner so they could record the outcome and play the victim. Just speculation of course.

This kind of reminds me of the mandatory carding rule here for buying alcohol. The 80 year old complains because he's obviously over 21, but then you have to draw the subjective line somewhere.
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Post  Scooby01_98 on Thu Apr 14, 2011 1:05 am

Pez wrote:
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Markwes wrote:I don't know. Thousand of fliers go through the security checkpoints every day, and we always focus on the rare occasion where a kid or little old lady is involved and point to how extreme it is. Yes, they probably went a little overboard. If the parents of the girl made a big stink about this, then it was their decision to bring unneeded national attention to their daughter and could have just moved on and be done with it. I'm pretty sure the kid thought it was no big deal.

So people should just sit back and let it continue to happen, gov't knows best attitude. I think when things like this happen it should be brought to the attention of the public to correct. Especially when I sit back and think how open our borders are where people can just walk across and the federal gov't turns a blind eye (and accuses those who want to stop/close this open border racist). Which has just a much of chance of letting a terrorist across the border as a 6 year old bring down a plane. So yeah I think small children should get a pass from the pat down.

k... so is the presumption here that the TSA agent was trying to cop a feel on the little girl? If not, then I see zero reason for outrage. Scooby said sarcastically that we should sit back and let "it" continue to happen. What is the "it" here? We also don't know if the parents declined the body scanner... which is the only time I have seen or experienced such an intensive pat down.

Even after the scanner they pull a select number for pat down (or they used too), now I don't know if the parents did or didn't reject the scanner. The "it" here is stupid searches. The girls clothes are skin tight, no way she could have hidden a stick of gum let alone any other type of device. At no time did I or anyone else say they were "trying to cop a feel". Go on you tube and see all the videos of TSA pat downs of small kids. Why this one got so much attention I don't know it just did. I just think we need to start using some brain cells on on these pat downs.

Amazing from you Pez, whining about Bush taking away your rights in the Patriot Act but willing to let TSA do whatever they want. Or is the Patriot Act okay now since Obama signed the renewal?
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Post  Scooby01_98 on Thu Apr 14, 2011 1:07 am

Markwes wrote:
Pez wrote:We also don't know if the parents declined the body scanner... which is the only time I have seen or experienced such an intensive pat down.
I was wondering about that too. Almost has the same ring to it as the "Don't tase me bro" guy, like the parents refused the body scanner so they could record the outcome and play the victim. Just speculation of course.

This kind of reminds me of the mandatory carding rule here for buying alcohol. The 80 year old complains because he's obviously over 21, but then you have to draw the subjective line somewhere.

The carding everyone in Indiana for Alcohol was a law, versus TSA having a search policy.

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Post  Pez on Thu Apr 14, 2011 10:15 am

Scooby01_98 wrote:
Even after the scanner they pull a select number for pat down (or they used too), now I don't know if the parents did or didn't reject the scanner. The "it" here is stupid searches. The girls clothes are skin tight, no way she could have hidden a stick of gum let alone any other type of device. At no time did I or anyone else say they were "trying to cop a feel". Go on you tube and see all the videos of TSA pat downs of small kids. Why this one got so much attention I don't know it just did. I just think we need to start using some brain cells on on these pat downs.

Amazing from you Pez, whining about Bush taking away your rights in the Patriot Act but willing to let TSA do whatever they want. Or is the Patriot Act okay now since Obama signed the renewal?

I was chatting with a TSA guy once and he told me they do random "extensive screenings" based on whoever is next in line when they have a screening area available... eg they feel a little kid up and dismiss them, then if granny is next through the line she gets the TSA love you long time.

And I dont see it as that amazing. Ultimately it's a person's choice to fly or not. The TSA pat down is a side effect of that. What I get tired of is people getting all nancy grace about what seems like a harmless (albeit somewhat silly) patdown of a kid. I dont know what happened with people and the continual state of outrage, outrage, outrage...

Yes, the pat down was pretty excessive and prolly nonsense, but cherry pick any process and you will find nonsense. The issue is that in the new interconnected universe an entire nation is outraged about what would have been a much smaller matter 10 years ago.

The other attitude I cant understand is the complete knee jerk when it comes to the TSA. Yes, they have problems, but should we do nothing instead?

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Post  Scooby01_98 on Thu Apr 14, 2011 10:31 am

Pez wrote:
Scooby01_98 wrote:

Amazing from you Pez, whining about Bush taking away your rights in the Patriot Act but willing to let TSA do whatever they want. Or is the Patriot Act okay now since Obama signed the renewal?

I was chatting with a TSA guy once and he told me they do random "extensive screenings" based on whoever is next in line when they have a screening area available... eg they feel a little kid up and dismiss them, then if granny is next through the line she gets the TSA love you long time.

And I dont see it as that amazing. Ultimately it's a person's choice to fly or not. The TSA pat down is a side effect of that. What I get tired of is people getting all nancy grace about what seems like a harmless (albeit somewhat silly) patdown of a kid. I dont know what happened with people and the continual state of outrage, outrage, outrage...

Yes, the pat down was pretty excessive and prolly nonsense, but cherry pick any process and you will find nonsense. The issue is that in the new interconnected universe an entire nation is outraged about what would have been a much smaller matter 10 years ago.

The other attitude I cant understand is the complete knee jerk when it comes to the TSA. Yes, they have problems, but should we do nothing instead?

Like I said I think it is stupid to pat down a 6 year old while we let our borders stay wide open. Don't enforce our federal laws on immigration and even sue our own states when they try to enforce those very laws, and accused of being racist by the Dem politicians and illegal immigration support groups. Sorry I just see hypocrisy in what we do on these two subjects. If the out come is to protect the citizens of the U.S.

Notice you dodged the last part of the question.
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Post  Pez on Thu Apr 14, 2011 2:34 pm

Very observant. I didn't answer the last question because it's a stupid question that accuses me of not thinking.

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Post  IrishGuy on Thu Apr 14, 2011 4:05 pm

I'm flying next week. What are the chances I get felt up? Anyone want to place bets?
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Post  Pez on Thu Apr 14, 2011 4:44 pm

IrishGuy wrote:I'm flying next week. What are the chances I get felt up? Anyone want to place bets?

I prefer the feel up. I bet you don't get it though. I have that metal thing in my spine that may or may not set off a metal detector (I have not been able to test it yet). So maybe I'm doomed for feel ups the rest of my life. I hope so, and I hope they buy me drinks first.

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Post  LTRT on Thu Apr 14, 2011 8:18 pm

IrishGuy wrote:I'm flying next week. What are the chances I get felt up? Anyone want to place bets?

If she's a Baywatch babe volunteer, LOL....more than likely she'll look like Rosanne. Very Happy A dude...well you know the line (don't touch my junk).
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Post  Cincy Fan 44 on Thu Apr 14, 2011 8:43 pm

I flew out of FWA a while back and went thru the full-body scanner, AND got the patdown. I guess this Cincy Fan "looked" like a terrorist or something. The only thing I forgot to do while going thru the FBS was remove my wallet.

Honestly I'm all for full-body scanners and pat-downs...however, I think this instance with the 6 year old girl was excessive. I wish agents were allowed to profile without the threat of getting sued for it. Use common sense and then little girls and boys won't get felt up when meanwhile the middle easterner who is obviously a terrorist goes thru w/out so much as a second look. Rolling Eyes

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Post  Pez on Fri Apr 15, 2011 9:59 am

I thought about this for a bit last night. I wonder if it was a parent that was taking the video...

Assuming it was, then they must not have thought the patdown was conducted in a sexual way, else they would have stopped and called the police or said, "I'm sorry, we are not going to fly today." If they didnt think the patdown was conducted in a sexually inappropriate way, then the only outrage they should feel is that some amount of time was wasted?

Any parent that films their own child being touched inappropriately and then sends it to CBS, NBC etc is pretty creepy. So they must not have thought their child was being molested. So the outrage they are feeling is based on a delay at the airport. Why is that news?

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Post  IrishGuy on Fri Apr 15, 2011 1:12 pm

Pez wrote:I thought about this for a bit last night. I wonder if it was a parent that was taking the video...

Assuming it was, then they must not have thought the patdown was conducted in a sexual way, else they would have stopped and called the police or said, "I'm sorry, we are not going to fly today." If they didnt think the patdown was conducted in a sexually inappropriate way, then the only outrage they should feel is that some amount of time was wasted?

Any parent that films their own child being touched inappropriately and then sends it to CBS, NBC etc is pretty creepy. So they must not have thought their child was being molested. So the outrage they are feeling is based on a delay at the airport. Why is that news?



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Post  Markwes on Fri Apr 15, 2011 7:25 pm

Pez wrote:I thought about this for a bit last night. I wonder if it was a parent that was taking the video...

Assuming it was, then they must not have thought the patdown was conducted in a sexual way, else they would have stopped and called the police or said, "I'm sorry, we are not going to fly today." If they didnt think the patdown was conducted in a sexually inappropriate way, then the only outrage they should feel is that some amount of time was wasted?

Any parent that films their own child being touched inappropriately and then sends it to CBS, NBC etc is pretty creepy. So they must not have thought their child was being molested. So the outrage they are feeling is based on a delay at the airport. Why is that news?
There was a bit about this incident on one of the morning shows, and your assumption is correct according to what the reporter there said - it was the mother who took the video. And it goes back to my thought that the mother is an idiot. She could have just complained to airport officials, wrote to her Congressman, or whatever, but no, she puts it on youtube and then I'm guessing informs the media. The thing that gets me is after 9/11 and other incidents involving terrorists on aircraft, we, as Americans, demanded the government do something to make us safer. When they do, we complain about our rights being taken away. I can understand a reaction of "maybe they need to look at changing their policies" over this, but outrage I don't understand. The thing to remember is surely these agents enjoy the patdowns even less than we do.

On an semi-related note, did anyone see the story about the guy who took Viagra prior to going through the security check and then asked for a patdown, just because he thought it would be fun to mess with the agent? Kind of an a-hole if you ask me.
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Post  LTRT on Sat Apr 23, 2011 6:04 pm

TSA Screener Charged with Child Pornography...

I'm sure Big Sis will say this is just an isolated incident. Rolling Eyes At least one more perv off the streets, he'll get to see what it feels like as soon as he gets sent up the river.
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Post  Scooby01_98 on Thu Jun 23, 2011 11:32 am

Well after a little grilling from congress looks like TSA is looking to change its pat down policy on young children. Maybe a little photo oping by those pesky parents paid off.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2011/jun/22/tsa-child-pat-down-policy-to-be-changed/?utm_source=RSS_Feed&utm_medium=RSS

Oh and the little girl that got the thorough pat down in the video that I post. She moved causing the x ray to be a little blurred. Guess a 2nd x-ray was a little to much of an inconvinence for the TSA agent.

Of course the state of Texas might have the best answer yet. Just do away with it all together.

http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2011-04-29-texas-airport-screening_n.htm

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/travel/sns-ap-us-travel-brief-texas-airport-pat-downs,0,2734644.story
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Post  Scooby01_98 on Thu Apr 26, 2012 12:11 pm

Once again feeling so much better TSA is out there protecting us from 4 year olds.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/national/grandma-tsa-agents-forced-crying-4-year-old-to-undergo-tsa-pat-down-at-kan-airport-after-hug/2012/04/25/gIQAojLohT_story.html

http://gma.yahoo.com/tsa-defends-pat-down-4-old-kan-airport-231522461.html

So the kid passes the screening, but since grandma was in the process of being screened she now needed a pat down. REALLY !!!! scratch

HMMM. She is being yelled at by agents causing her to cry and she is labeled "an uncooperative suspect".

What they couldn't have just wanded her again or back thru the metal detector. After all they didn't "agents didn't suspect or suggest the child was carrying a firearm."
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