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Post  Cincy Fan 44 on Tue Aug 19, 2008 10:16 pm

So is it a good decision that old Rex won't be the starting QB in Chicago? Will Kyle Orton make any difference? Fantasy Football minds want to know...

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Post  Markwes on Tue Aug 19, 2008 10:59 pm

Cincy Fan 44 wrote:So is it a good decision that old Rex won't be the starting QB in Chicago? Will Kyle Orton make any difference? Fantasy Football minds want to know...
I wouldn't worry about fantasy stats, but I agree with the decision. Then again, I'm a Purdue grad, so I like to see a former player start.
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Post  Scooby01_98 on Wed Aug 20, 2008 12:58 am

I don't think either of them will be on anybody's fantasy football team. Don't know why the bears didn't go after anyone in FA. Of course now that they have let go all of their good receivers why have a QB period.
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Post  Cincy Fan 44 on Wed Aug 20, 2008 7:04 am

Scooby01_98 wrote:I don't think either of them will be on anybody's fantasy football team. Don't know why the bears didn't go after anyone in FA. Of course now that they have let go all of their good receivers why have a QB period.
Maybe they should just run a Wing T offense??? Oh what fun that'll be. Laughing

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Post  Guest on Wed Aug 20, 2008 8:28 am

I think Orton might be able to come up with the goods now that he knows he's the guy... They dont really have a RB either...
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Post  Markwes on Wed Aug 20, 2008 10:49 am

Yeah, they could have Peyton Manning at QB but it wouldn't matter if there is no running game or offensive line.
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Post  Guest on Thu Aug 21, 2008 9:36 am

I think Matt Forte will surprise some people at RB this year. But I think the line is their bigger problem. Orton will be an improvement because he won't bring the heartache that Rexy does. It's great to see him hit Berrian on those bombs, but then he'll turn around and commit 3 consecutive turn overs.

Orton is steady, he won't commit a ton of TO's but he won't give you a 400 yard 5 TD game either.

The Bears offense is in shambles. They have a bad line protecting a bad QB with a rookie RB running through it, and throwing to receivers who the biggest threat is a return specialist. Not good.
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Post  Markwes on Thu Aug 21, 2008 9:58 am

It's a common misconception that Orton has a weak arm. He can throw the ball about as far as anyone - the question being can he throw it accurately that distance. The coaching staff might open up the playbook a little more now, but I'm not holding my breath.
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Post  Guest on Thu Aug 21, 2008 9:58 am

cardinal5150 wrote:I think Matt Forte will surprise some people at RB this year. But I think the line is their bigger problem. Orton will be an improvement because he won't bring the heartache that Rexy does. It's great to see him hit Berrian on those bombs, but then he'll turn around and commit 3 consecutive turn overs.

Orton is steady, he won't commit a ton of TO's but he won't give you a 400 yard 5 TD game either.

The Bears offense is in shambles. They have a bad line protecting a bad QB with a rookie RB running through it, and throwing to receivers who the biggest threat is a return specialist. Not good.

I cant figure out how the hell they won the NFC two years ago... just amazes me. Do they have cap issues or something? I cant imagine why such a big market storied franchise cant field an offense that would be able to score against a high school team.
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Post  IrishGuy on Thu Aug 21, 2008 10:49 am

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cardinal5150 wrote:I think Matt Forte will surprise some people at RB this year. But I think the line is their bigger problem. Orton will be an improvement because he won't bring the heartache that Rexy does. It's great to see him hit Berrian on those bombs, but then he'll turn around and commit 3 consecutive turn overs.

Orton is steady, he won't commit a ton of TO's but he won't give you a 400 yard 5 TD game either.

The Bears offense is in shambles. They have a bad line protecting a bad QB with a rookie RB running through it, and throwing to receivers who the biggest threat is a return specialist. Not good.

I cant figure out how the hell they won the NFC two years ago... just amazes me. Do they have cap issues or something? I cant imagine why such a big market storied franchise cant field an offense that would be able to score against a high school team.

The won the NFC two years ago with an awesome defense. They had many defensive touchdowns (interception returns, fumble returns) Without looking at the history of that season, I bet many of their wins had them scoring under 20 points with one or less offensive touchdowns.
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Post  Guest on Thu Aug 21, 2008 11:13 am

Their offense was smoking 2 years ago as well.. Grossman was actually hitting receivers, I think his QB rating was either over 100 or under 40 in about every game that year. Plus Thomas Jones was running the ball extremely well.

Add in the best defense we've seen in years and the best return man in the history of the game, and you've got a great team.

They've won the NFC North in 2004 and 2006, I'm hoping it'll repeat again in 2008. I think it'll come down to who has a better QB.. Minny or Chicago.
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Post  Guest on Thu Aug 21, 2008 11:15 am

Markwes wrote:It's a common misconception that Orton has a weak arm. He can throw the ball about as far as anyone - the question being can he throw it accurately that distance. The coaching staff might open up the playbook a little more now, but I'm not holding my breath.

I agree.. Orton can throw with anyone, look at his career at Purdon't. But Grossman has one of the biggest arms in the NFL, he just makes stupid mistakes. He plays dumber than Brett Favre, and doesn't have the Super Bowl ring, so people judge him more accurately.

I think they'll try and keep Orton from hurting himself to start, then open the playbook. But Orton's biggest asset is that he knows to throw the ball away, or take a sack. Rexy wouldn't do that, he wanted a homerun on every play.
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Post  IrishGuy on Thu Aug 21, 2008 11:35 am

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They've won the NFC North in 2004 and 2006, I'm hoping it'll repeat again in 2008. I think it'll come down to who has a better QB.. Minny or Chicago.

Dude, with all due respect, back away from the pipe. Minny and GB will fight for the NFC North title, with the runner up likely getting a Wild Card spot. Chicago and Detroit will fight it out for 3 and 4 in the division.
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Post  Markwes on Thu Aug 21, 2008 12:01 pm

IrishGuy wrote:
cardinal5150 wrote:
They've won the NFC North in 2004 and 2006, I'm hoping it'll repeat again in 2008. I think it'll come down to who has a better QB.. Minny or Chicago.

Dude, with all due respect, back away from the pipe. Minny and GB will fight for the NFC North title, with the runner up likely getting a Wild Card spot. Chicago and Detroit will fight it out for 3 and 4 in the division.
Speaking of hitting the pipe, I hear Dr. Z of Sports Illustrated picked the Vikings to win the Superbowl.
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Post  Guest on Thu Aug 21, 2008 12:01 pm

IrishGuy wrote:
cardinal5150 wrote:
They've won the NFC North in 2004 and 2006, I'm hoping it'll repeat again in 2008. I think it'll come down to who has a better QB.. Minny or Chicago.

Dude, with all due respect, back away from the pipe. Minny and GB will fight for the NFC North title, with the runner up likely getting a Wild Card spot. Chicago and Detroit will fight it out for 3 and 4 in the division.

I don't see Minny doing much.. Tavaris is not the answer, especially with no WR's. Berrian is their answer? He can run fast and deep, that's it, and they have that with Sidney Rice. They have a great O Line for AP, assuming he stays healthy, which is a big if. Plus we still don't know if their D improved the pass defense this year or not.

I'm not sold on GB, Favre won some games for them last year, Rodgers won't do that. They also have a good Defense, but I see their offense being only slightly better than the Bears. Ryan Grant is their go to guy? Really?

I think the whole NFC North sucks this year in general. The only team I'd bet won't make it out is Detroit, but with Megatron and Roy Williams out there, anything could happen. Plus their new RB is supposed to be pretty good, so.. who knows. And now that Martz is gone they won't have 10 turnover's/game... maybe just 9 now.

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1) Bears (Assuming Hester and Mike Brown stay healthy)
2) Vikings (All Day goes down in week 3, Chester Taylor holds out for more money)
3) Packers (Just not sold on them)
4) Lions (Megatron blows a gasket and destroys Ford Field forcing them to play in Canada)
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Post  Scooby01_98 on Thu Aug 21, 2008 1:42 pm

Not sold on Orton at all for QB. Still have bad memories of him the season Grossman was out. I don't think there running game will be that bad since Benson is gone. I was never a fan of him and thought the Bear's should have gotten rid of him instead of Thomas Jones. I do think it will be a running back by committee. If Kevin Jone's stays healthy the whole season it will be a miracle and great since I think he is a pretty good back, with Forte and the other AP doing nicely in relief.

Hoping some decent back up QB gets cut or traded for salary cap reason's at the final cut and brought in by the Bears.
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Post  Markwes on Thu Aug 21, 2008 2:26 pm

Scooby01_98 wrote:Hoping some decent back up QB gets cut or traded for salary cap reason's at the final cut and brought in by the Bears.
That sounds great, but just look back at history. The Bears pick up Rick Mirer, who is supposed to take them to the Superbowl, and he stunk it up. They "stole" Kordell Stewart from the Steelers - same result. They draft Cade McNown, a can't-miss QB from the Pac 10, and he becomes maybe their biggest flop ever. And then of course, there's Grossman. If you want a chuckle, check out this list of starting QB's for the Bears since 1979.

http://www.bearshistory.com/lore/chicagobearsquarterbacks.aspx
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Post  Guest on Thu Aug 21, 2008 2:40 pm

I'm half surprised they never brought in Leftwich or Culpepper.. I think Leftwich would be a huge step up from either Grossman or Orton.. Dante.. ehh.. not so much.

The good news is if they stink it up this year the current QB class in college is awesome.. though I have no idea how many will be coming out next year.
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Post  Guest on Thu Aug 21, 2008 2:47 pm

I just read that QB history... has any team in the history of the NFL had a more pathetic track record? Come on, Jim McMahon is viewed as the best QB of any recent time... that's pretty sad.
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Post  Scooby01_98 on Thu Aug 21, 2008 2:52 pm

cardinal5150 wrote:I just read that QB history... has any team in the history of the NFL had a more pathetic track record? Come on, Jim McMahon is viewed as the best QB of any recent time... that's pretty sad.

Hey, I liked Jim McMahon.....while he had a great supporting cast, his attitude is really what the Bears needed that year to take them over the top. The biggest reason they didn't follow up the following year is because of ego's and the organization letting Buddy Ryan go.
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Post  Cincy Fan 44 on Thu Aug 21, 2008 3:04 pm

cardinal5150 wrote:The good news is if they stink it up this year the current QB class in college is awesome.. though I have no idea how many will be coming out next year.
What would you do if the Bears drafted Todd Boeckman from Ohio State?

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Post  Guest on Thu Aug 21, 2008 11:47 pm

Leftwich = an upgrade over Grossman?

This is the same Byron Leftwich that couldn't even nail down the starting job for the Atlanta Falcons, right?
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Post  IrishGuy on Fri Aug 22, 2008 7:43 am

Fleek wrote:Leftwich = an upgrade over Grossman?

This is the same Byron Leftwich that couldn't even nail down the starting job for the Atlanta Falcons, right?

I think one of the funniest things I've ever seen on a message board was Byron Leftwich referred to as "Fatty McButterpants".
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Post  Markwes on Fri Aug 22, 2008 9:21 am

I know it's only preseason, but after watching that game last night, the QB position is not the problem for da Bears. Their #1 defense looked like a sieve against that offensive juggernaut known as the 49ers. They had better get it figured out or else it could be a long year.
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Post  Guest on Fri Aug 22, 2008 9:25 am

Fleek wrote:Leftwich = an upgrade over Grossman?

This is the same Byron Leftwich that couldn't even nail down the starting job for the Atlanta Falcons, right?

You mean the same Falcon's franchise that believed Mike Vick was their savior?
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