Re: I like Sarah Palin BUT...

LTRT Fri Sep 05, 2008 4:09 pm

Is there someone out there with some crystal ball that says that McCain IS going to die? Geez, I guess I don't remember, but was there all this criticism about Geo. Sr. when Reagon picked him?

Guest Fri Sep 05, 2008 4:11 pm

LT, I think I've been suggesting it as a concern only to put Palin on level ground with Obama in comparison of experience.

LTRT Fri Sep 05, 2008 4:21 pm

meta4 wrote:LT, I think I've been suggesting it as a concern only to put Palin on level ground with Obama in comparison of experience.

Oh I see, all this negativity on this board and throughout most of the entire media is just concern, silly me. Embarassed

Guest Fri Sep 05, 2008 4:23 pm

LTRT wrote:Is there someone out there with some crystal ball that says that McCain IS going to die? Geez, I guess I don't remember, but was there all this criticism about Geo. Sr. when Reagon picked him?

Geo Sr. was like 60 when Reagan picked him and had experience out the wazzo.

Guest Fri Sep 05, 2008 4:25 pm

Governor is stonewalling the Troopergate investigation

(09/05/08 00:11:45)

Gov. Sarah Palin is taking the wrong approach to Troopergate. She should be practicing the open and transparent, ethical and accountable government she promised when running for governor and boasts about now that she's on the national stage.

Instead, Gov. Palin has begun stonewalling the Legislature's attempt to get the bottom of allegations that she, her family or staff violated ethical or state personnel rules.

As a result, the Troopergate allegations hang over Palin's future and cloud her candidacy for vice president.

The allegations are that she, her family or administration improperly pressured then-Public Safety Commissioner Walt Monegan to fire Gov. Palin's ex-brother-in-law, state trooper Mike Wooten, who had been in the middle of a custody dispute with Palin's sister.

In July, when legislators started talking about conducting an investigation, Palin denied any wrongdoing and said she welcomed an investigation.

"Hold me accountable," she said.

The Legislature took her up on that offer. But this week, she basically told the Legislature, "Never mind."

Palin's lawyer has asked the Legislature to drop its investigation. He had the governor file an ethics complaint against herself, in a bid to turn the entire matter over to the state Personnel Board, which would hire an independent investigator.

This is not an open and transparent attempt to establish Gov. Palin's accountability. It is an attempt to drag out the investigation until after voters decide the fate of her vice-presidential bid.

Instead, Gov. Palin should honor her pledge to cooperate with the Legislature's investigation, conducted by former state prosecutor Steve Branchflower.

She could start by telling aide Frank Bailey he has to talk to the legislative investigator. She should fire him if he doesn't.

Bailey was caught on an audio recording of a phone conversation with a Public Safety Department official, in which Bailey pushed to get Wooten fired.

Bailey was put on paid leave, not fired. A spokeswoman for Palin said that while Bailey is on the state payroll, Palin can direct him to cooperate with the legislative investigation.

So why is Bailey still on the payroll, after he bailed on a scheduled interview with the legislative investigator Wednesday?

The Legislature hasn't given its investigator the power to subpoena, or compel, testimony of witnesses. Subpoenas appeared unnecessary, since it appeared the governor and administration would be cooperating.

That's over. It's time for the subpoenas.

The Legislature's investigation is supposed to be wrapped up by Oct. 31. That's obviously poor timing from the standpoint of the McCain-Palin presidential campaign, coming just a few days before the national election.

Instead of trying to delay the whole thing, Palin should take a cue from U.S. Sen. Ted Stevens, who asked that his corruption trial be moved up so it would be completed well ahead of the November general election. Voters deserve to know the outcome of Sen. Stevens trial and the investigation into Palin.

When this investigation into Troopergate started, Gov. Palin's response was refreshingly open. Since she became the Republican candidate for vice president, her approach has changed for the worse. America deserves the same openness and ethics from vice-presidential candidate Palin that she promised to Alaska voters in 2006.

BOTTOM LINE: Gov. Palin is stonewalling on Troopergate; the Legislature should issue subpoenas.

'Threat'?

Palin's lawyer tries to play Secret Service card

Gov. Sarah Palin's lawyer, Thomas Van Flein, made an absurd threat in his battle to get the Legislature to back off its ethics investigation of the governor and her staff.

Van Flein said legislative investigator Steve Branchflower tried to call First Gentleman Todd Palin directly on "a secure and confidential line. This represents a serious security breach that we may be obligated to report to the Secret Service."

Hello? Branchflower is acting on behalf of the Legislature. That's a security breach?

Lawyers are supposed to vigorously represent their clients, but claiming that a legislative investigator's phone call may be a security matter worthy of Secret Service attention is ridiculous.

Gov. Palin should keep her legal attack dog on a shorter leash.

BOTTOM LINE: More obstruction from Palin in Troopergate.

LTRT Fri Sep 05, 2008 4:32 pm

Bman wrote:
LTRT wrote:Is there someone out there with some crystal ball that says that McCain IS going to die? Geez, I guess I don't remember, but was there all this criticism about Geo. Sr. when Reagon picked him?

Geo Sr. was like 60 when Reagan picked him and had experience out the wazzo.

Oh I see, the thing that BHO lacks. I thought it was the whole mom with 5 kids thing everyone has been blasting her about.

floridafun Fri Sep 05, 2008 4:54 pm

well i cant figure out where the fuck this came from..its a lie..made up clinton news network sexism!!!!

uhh..think some folks thought my list of what i dont like about sarah was all lies? hmmm...oh...and for a continuation on this viscious lie...

continued---

'Threat'?

Palin's lawyer tries to play Secret Service card

Gov. Sarah Palin's lawyer, Thomas Van Flein, made an absurd threat in his battle to get the Legislature to back off its ethics investigation of the governor and her staff.

Van Flein said legislative investigator Steve Branchflower tried to call First Gentleman Todd Palin directly on "a secure and confidential line. This represents a serious security breach that we may be obligated to report to the Secret Service."

Hello? Branchflower is acting on behalf of the Legislature. That's a security breach?

Lawyers are supposed to vigorously represent their clients, but claiming that a legislative investigator's phone call may be a security matter worthy of Secret Service attention is ridiculous.

Gov. Palin should keep her legal attack dog on a shorter leash.

BOTTOM LINE: More obstruction from Palin in Troopergate.

and----

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/08/30/AR2008083002366_2.html?hpid=topnews

Long-Standing Feud in Alaska Embroils Palin

She characterized Wooten as a hard-drinking bully who held himself above the law and threatened her family.

"Wooten was counseled by my husband to join Molly in acting civilly and with maturity during their divorce -- for the sake of the nine kids they and Wooten's girlfriend have between them all -- and who are adversely affected by their circumstances. Wooten evidently took umbrage with the advice and that day told Molly she'd better 'put a leash on your sister' or he'd 'bring Sarah Palin down.' "

Palin added: "I feel strongly that Wooten is a loose cannon. He's a ticking time bomb, as others describe him, and I am afraid his actions do not merely reflect poorly on the State, but his actions may cause someone terrible harm . . .

"Is it acceptable for an Alaska State Trooper to use his badge and power in these aforementioned ways?"

She concluded, "Our faith is waning."

The divorce went to trial in the fall of 2005 while the state police internal investigation was pending. Anchorage Superior Court Judge John Suddock reviewed the complaints filed by Palin and her family. At trial on Oct. 27, 2005, the judge expressed puzzlement about why the family was trying to get Wooten fired, since depriving the trooper of a job would harm his ability to pay family support to Palin's sister.

"It appears for the world that Ms. McCann and her family have decided to take off for the guy's livelihood -- that the bitterness of whatever who did what to whom has overridden good judgment," Suddock said in an audio recording from the trial on TV station KTUU's Web site. "Aesop told us not to slay the goose who lays the golden egg. For whatever reason, people are trying to slay the goose here and it tends to diminish his earning capacity."

On March 1, 2006, Grimes sustained the allegations, saying, "The record clearly indicates a serious and concentrated pattern of unacceptable and at times, illegal activity occurring over a lengthy period, which establishes a course of conduct totally at odds with the ethics of our profession." Wooten was suspended for five days.

That fall, in a surprise, Palin defeated Gov. Frank Murkowski in the Republican primary and went on to win the general election. She took office in December 2006 and appointed Monegan, who'd just retired as Anchorage police chief after five years, to be public safety commissioner, a cabinet position.

In January 2007, Palin's husband, Todd, a commercial fisherman, oil company worker and champion snowmobile racer who was now first gentleman of Alaska, invited Monegan to the governor's office. Todd Palin asked Monegan to look into the Wooten matter. Monegan did and later told Todd there was nothing he could do because the matter was closed.

Monegan told The Washington Post that Palin called him a few days later on his cellphone, and that he told her the same thing. She brought it up again in February 2007 in the state capitol building and Monegan warned her to stay at arm's length.

Monegan said Palin mostly backed off, but kept raising the matter indirectly through e-mails. In the fall of 2007, Monegan said he alerted her to a bad jury verdict against a trooper in rural Alaska, and she replied by mentioning Wooten, but not by name.

"She said troopers like this one and my former brother-in-law, or that trooper I used to be related to, are the things that make people not trust troopers," Monegan told The Post yesterday.

Monegan said he also got telephone calls from three Palin appointees, including her then-chief of staff, Mike Tibbles; Commissioner Annette Kreitzer of the Department of Administration; and Attorney General Talis Colberg.

Colberg said at a news conference this year that he was one of staffers who called Monegan. Colberg said he called after Todd Palin asked him about "the process" for when state troopers make death threats against the first family.

"I made an inquiry and was told by Commissioner Monegan that there was a process in place and that it was handled and it was over. And I reported back to the first gentleman that there was nothing more that could be done," Colberg said.

With each of the calls, Monegan became more concerned and warned each caller about exposing the state to litigation from Wooten. Monegan told Tibbles: "This is not your issue. This is something I am supposed to handle. Every time we talk about this, it is discoverable. Do you want this trooper to own your house?"

Meanwhile, Todd Palin continued to collect evidence against his former brother-in-law and lobbied for his dismissal, records and interviews show. In April 2007, he told the Anchorage Daily News that he met just once with Wooten's boss, Col. Audie Holloway, to give her pictures of Wooten driving a snowmobile when he was out on a worker's compensation claim.

The legislative investigation is looking into whether information was leaked from Wooten's personnel file.

In an interview yesterday, Alaska Deputy Attorney General Michael Barnhill said that a member of the governor's staff made at least one telephone call to Holloway about the snowmobile incident reported by Todd Palin. Diane Kiesel, Alaska state personnel director, called because she believed the troopers should know there might be a violation of law, Barnhill said.

"People in the administration made contact with the Department of Public Safety to deal with the worker's compensation file," he said.

Barnhill said the attorney general's office does not think the governor's staff should be banned from making calls about Wooten to his superiors.

In July, Palin's chief of staff told Monegan he was being fired because the governor wanted to "go in a different direction," Monegan said.

Monegan went public, alleging that his firing was connected to his failure to remove Wooten. The state legislature launched its investigation, and the governor asked the attorney general's office to conduct an internal investigation.

Barnhill said the review, made public two weeks ago, found that half a dozen officials had made about two dozen phone calls regarding Wooten. But only one call was determined to be improper, a tape-recorded conversation between Palin's chief of boards and commissions, Frank Bailey, to a police lieutenant.

In the call, Bailey said, "Todd and Sarah are scratching their heads, 'Why on earth hasn't this, why is this guy still representing the department?' "

Palin suspended Bailey with pay, saying she knew nothing about the call.

Palin still faces the review by the legislature.

State Sen. Hollis French (D) said that both Republicans and Democrats authorized the hiring of a former prosecutor to determine whether Palin "used her public office to settle a private score." French described the prosecutor, Steve Branchflower, as a "straight shooter,"

French said the investigation of the popular 44-year-old governor had been criticized throughout the state until about two weeks ago, when the governor's office released the audiotape of Bailey.

Such evidence points to a violation of Wooten's privacy, French said.

"We're seeing clues or signs that matters from his personal confidential file were being shared to generate talking points against the trooper as drums being pounded to get him dismissed," French said yesterday.

The legislative report is due in October.

floridafun Fri Sep 05, 2008 4:58 pm

Bman wrote:
cardinal5150 wrote:Once again.. you can tell how scared the Dem's are of Palin because all they do is bash her, they can't even talk about their own candidate because they know Palin trumps all their "change" and corruption banter that they throw out there about BO. That's the problem when you run a campaign based on feelings, there's probably someone else out there who can give people better feelings than your person.

We have had this discussion about Obama for 20 months now ... why can't we discuss Palin for awhile? Seems like you morons are afraid to discuss her credentials. We have scrubbed Obama's through 50+ primaries and caucuses for 20 months, and we don't get a week of discussing Palins?

Yea ... I see who is scared.

and their responses are....to toss obama out there yet again LOL!! oh karl your students have learned!! we shall see if the average american has wised up or not come election time!!

Guest Fri Sep 05, 2008 5:00 pm

Probably not. The majority of Americans would rather vote for whomever won the last American Id-Shitty Music season.

Guest Mon Sep 08, 2008 9:08 am

Does anyone wonder what books Sarah Palin was trying to have removed from the library in Wasilla? Was she going to have a book burning celebration at her church too?

Guest Mon Sep 08, 2008 9:56 am

Bman wrote:Does anyone wonder what books Sarah Palin was trying to have removed from the library in Wasilla? Was she going to have a book burning celebration at her church too?

This would be interesting info...

**Cincy Fan 44** Mon Sep 08, 2008 10:00 am

Bman wrote:Does anyone wonder what books Sarah Palin was trying to have removed from the library in Wasilla? Was she going to have a book burning celebration at her church too?

I'm sure if there were any books about bill maher, they were on her hit list... Razz

floridafun Mon Sep 08, 2008 10:21 am

probably a planned parenthood advisory book on how to DECREASE the risk of pregnancy when you are sexually active...

or darwins origin of species.

Guest Mon Sep 08, 2008 10:22 am

floridafun wrote:probably a planned parenthood advisory book on how to DECREASE the risk of pregnancy when you are sexually active

Zing. I think that already happened given the evidence.

Markwes Mon Sep 08, 2008 10:55 am

Bman wrote:Does anyone wonder what books Sarah Palin was trying to have removed from the library in Wasilla? Was she going to have a book burning celebration at her church too?

I don't know. Keep digging. Maybe we can find out what field trip she wanted removed from her kid's school too. All this is important to me as an informed voter.

Guest Mon Sep 08, 2008 11:20 am

Markwes wrote:
Bman wrote:Does anyone wonder what books Sarah Palin was trying to have removed from the library in Wasilla? Was she going to have a book burning celebration at her church too?
I don't know. Keep digging. Maybe we can find out what field trip she wanted removed from her kid's school too. All this is important to me as an informed voter.

If it was liberals TRYING to get books out of the library, say a liberal governor decided that the Bible should not be in the library and ordered the libarian to remove the book, you would be upset. Glad to see the hypocricy emerge again.

Markwes Mon Sep 08, 2008 11:25 am

Yeah, if Biden was previously a mayor in a town thousands of miles from here and tried to get a Bible removed from the town library, I would be upset. Rolling Eyes

Really, why do you try to act like you know me so well?

LTRT Mon Sep 08, 2008 11:34 am

Bman wrote:
Markwes wrote:
Bman wrote:Does anyone wonder what books Sarah Palin was trying to have removed from the library in Wasilla? Was she going to have a book burning celebration at her church too?
I don't know. Keep digging. Maybe we can find out what field trip she wanted removed from her kid's school too. All this is important to me as an informed voter.

If it was liberals TRYING to get books out of the library, say a liberal governor decided that the Bible should not be in the library and ordered the libarian to remove the book, you would be upset. Glad to see the hypocricy emerge again.

Does she use Charmin or Cottonelle? Razz

Guest Mon Sep 08, 2008 1:01 pm

LTRT wrote:
Bman wrote:
Markwes wrote:
Bman wrote:Does anyone wonder what books Sarah Palin was trying to have removed from the library in Wasilla? Was she going to have a book burning celebration at her church too?
I don't know. Keep digging. Maybe we can find out what field trip she wanted removed from her kid's school too. All this is important to me as an informed voter.

If it was liberals TRYING to get books out of the library, say a liberal governor decided that the Bible should not be in the library and ordered the libarian to remove the book, you would be upset. Glad to see the hypocricy emerge again.

Does she use Charmin or Cottonelle?

I guess between LTRT and Markwes we see why we are slowly eroding our constitutional rights away it is this mindset of the right wing to censure everything and control everything that bothers me. Wiretapping, eavesdropping and now they find it ok to control what gets put into a library. Before they will be controlling what we can say, where we can say, what church we have to attend, etc .....

If it was Obama running around screaming that certain books should not be in the library this group of posters here would be up in arms. That is what I love about this message, some are blantantly hypocritical.

Markwes Mon Sep 08, 2008 1:11 pm

Bman wrote:I guess between LTRT and Markwes we see why we are slowly eroding our constitutional rights away it is this mindset of the right wing to censure everything and control everything that bothers me. Wiretapping, eavesdropping and now they find it ok to control what gets put into a library. Before they will be controlling what we can say, where we can say, what church we have to attend, etc .....

If it was Obama running around screaming that certain books should not be in the library this group of posters here would be up in arms. That is what I love about this message, some are blantantly hypocritical.

Hold on. You ask the question of what books she was trying to remove, which means you don't even know. For all you know it could be Hustler magazine. And from that you sidetrack into constituional rights. Since when did the Constitution include the right for a public library to have any reading material on hand that they want? And that wasn't even the point of my post, which was if that's the best you can come up with as a reason not to vote for McCain, that's just sad.

Guest Mon Sep 08, 2008 1:30 pm

Lets save money and get rid of libraries! I mean, they're just places for homeless people to look at porn anyways.

Guest Mon Sep 08, 2008 1:51 pm

Never said she removed anything, she asked about doing it and then tried to fire the city librarian.

Guest Mon Sep 08, 2008 1:52 pm

Markwes wrote:Hold on.

Ya know, I just gotta say that you should take your own advice. Short changing Bman's opinion will not bring voters to the GOP, if that's what you're after. I can't understand why some people here on The Real Board often quote Bman only to cast his quote in an out of context, dumbed down, skewed angle in hopes that this comment will supporting your alternate perspective, or abrogate his original text...

Calling Bman a blithering idiot will not win an election. He is what he is... just read it. If you don't like it, don't comment.

Markwes Mon Sep 08, 2008 2:24 pm

meta4 wrote:Ya know, I just gotta say that you should take your own advice. Short changing Bman's opinion will not bring voters to the GOP, if that's what you're after. I can't understand why some people here on The Real Board often quote Bman only to cast his quote in an out of context, dumbed down, skewed angle in hopes that this comment will supporting your alternate perspective, or abrogate his original text...

Calling Bman a blithering idiot will not win an election. He is what he is... just read it. If you don't like it, don't comment.

So now you're going to complain about the way I respond to Bman? If he says something that I think is irrelevent or in attack mode, I'll say something about it. I have never once called him a "blithering idiot" or anything even close. On the contrary, he seems quite intelligent.

And no, just because I'm not a fan of Obama doesn't mean I'm trying to bring voters to the GOP. It sounds like you're subscribing to the popular liberal theory around here that if have any doubts about Obama, then you must be a hardcore right winger. Too bad.

Guest Mon Sep 08, 2008 2:43 pm

Markwes wrote:
meta4 wrote:Ya know, I just gotta say that you should take your own advice. Short changing Bman's opinion will not bring voters to the GOP, if that's what you're after. I can't understand why some people here on The Real Board often quote Bman only to cast his quote in an out of context, dumbed down, skewed angle in hopes that this comment will supporting your alternate perspective, or abrogate his original text...

Calling Bman a blithering idiot will not win an election. He is what he is... just read it. If you don't like it, don't comment.
So now you're going to complain about the way I respond to Bman? If he says something that I think is irrelevent or in attack mode, I'll say something about it. I have never once called him a "blithering idiot" or anything even close. On the contrary, he seems quite intelligent.

And no, just because I'm not a fan of Obama doesn't mean I'm trying to bring voters to the GOP. It sounds like you're subscribing to the popular liberal theory around here that if have any doubts about Obama, then you must be a hardcore right winger. Too bad.

As difficult as it may be for you to believe, my post wasn't all about YOU. But you brought up the notion that you feel your responsibility is to comment on almost every single post he makes. I thought it may be helpful to point out that your commentary on Bman's opinion is A: Probably not what people stop by The Board to read. B: not required in order to give it relevancy or irrelevancy (as you put it). C: tediously boring thread bloat D: generally leaning toward right-wing talking head fodder.

If you're really undecided as you claim, perhaps the tone you might try to convey is one of genuine curiosity rather than over-confident challenge... Wink

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