Obama regrets abortion answer

'“What I intended to say is that, as a Christian, I have a lot of humility about understanding when does the soul enter into … It's a pretty tough question. And so, all I meant to communicate was that I don't presume to be able to answer these kinds of theological questions.”

thats exactly what i took his response to mean. he is a TRUE christian who feel it isnt his job to judge others and force them into heeding any specific fundie interpretation about abortions particularly since they are never even mentioned in the bible.

I don't think smoking crack cocaine is specifically mentioned in the Bible either, but I don't need it mentioned in there to tell me it's wrong.

Cincy Fan 44 wrote:I don't think smoking crack cocaine is specifically mentioned in the Bible either, but I don't need it mentioned in there to tell me it's wrong.

You can use this logic to justify scorn for almost anything.... bad logic my friend.

Besides... don't Catholics need the priest to read the bible to you or do they let you read it yourself these days? Is that in the Catholic Bible, with the extra Apocraphal books or the Protestant bible?

meta4 wrote:You can use this logic to justify scorn for almost anything.... bad logic my friend.

Besides... don't Catholics need the priest to read the bible to you or do they let you read it yourself these days? Is that in the Catholic Bible, with the extra Apocraphal books or the Protestant bible?

Pointless quote of the day!

Markwes wrote:

meta4 wrote:You can use this logic to justify scorn for almost anything.... bad logic my friend.

Besides... don't Catholics need the priest to read the bible to you or do they let you read it yourself these days? Is that in the Catholic Bible, with the extra Apocraphal books or the Protestant bible?

Pointless quote of the day!

It's not that I didn't have a point, you probably haven't the slightest clue what I'm getting at...

Think!

meta4 wrote:It's not that I didn't have a point, you probably haven't the slightest clue what I'm getting at...

Think!

Okay, my apologies for that reaction. I have thought about it, and you're right, I have no clue what you're getting at. All I know is Obama has determined that life begins at the moment a soul enters the body, but he does not know at what point that happens. That's the first time I have ever heard that argument. So in other words, the mother performing an abortion may or may not be murdering a life. It seems the Obama fans are picking and choosing what religious aspects are important. A VP candidate that mentions God to a graduating class in church is bad, but a presidential candidate who uses religion to interpret at what point life takes place is fine. Contradictory in my eyes.

meta..i got the point you were making, and you presented it well

mark--he chose NOT to interpret at what point life begins which would be based on his personal interpretation, a personal judgement call for our government to legislate sin. perfectly legitimate stance which is i agree is out of alignment with the ectremist far rights control issue. if you want to make abortion a criminal act, you have to figure out what the punishment will be for the woman seeking the act, not just the providor. if i pay someone to kill my spouse dont i get legally punished? the bible thumpers promoting the legislation of sin dont seem to think beyond controling womens choice in general.

and i am curious...how many foster kids have you hosted in your home? you know..all those kids who suffer physical and emotional abuse and neglect at the hands of ignorant biological parents who never wanted the responsibility to begin with?

my issue with sarahs extremist religion is...this is the kids who when the get a little older move into the masters group she was addressing at her church.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=97NFNXk8aFc

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LyJI9xDUYV8&feature=related

Doesn't our government (and most for that matter) legislate "sin"? It is after all a "sin" to murder someone, and the last time I checked they put you in prison (or worse) for those kinds of things. It is a "sin" to steal, and yep, they legislate that too. Maybe I'm just looking at this too simply.

Cincy Fan 44 wrote:Doesn't our government (and most for that matter) legislate "sin"? It is after all a "sin" to murder someone, and the last time I checked they put you in prison (or worse) for those kinds of things. It is a "sin" to steal, and yep, they legislate that too. Maybe I'm just looking at this too simply.

Lusting after your neighbor is a sin too, should you be punished by the govt for that too? Jealousy is a sin too, what is the governmental penalty for that?

Good comeback Bman. Killing a life is a sin, and the Government has already legislated that. So they should legistlate Abortion, since that is killing a life.

As for the other "sins" you mentioned, maybe we can get some more CHANGE in Washington to do something about that, eh?

Cincy Fan 44 wrote:Good comeback Bman. Killing a life is a sin, and the Government has already legislated that. So they should legistlate Abortion, since that is killing a life.

As for the other "sins" you mentioned, maybe we can get some more CHANGE in Washington to do something about that, eh?

"So they should legislate abortion, since that is killing a life" --- because Cincy says so.

The death penalty takes a life, but 99% of the pro-life are PRO-DEATH when it comes to that life.

Many anti-choicers don't seem to have a problem with the American government killing innocent civilians, do they?

his answer on abortion is about as straight forward as his answer on joining the military.. "I thought about it"... "it wasn't an option I ever decided to pursue". Really? Wow.. that's fascinating, most kids when they are growing up think about being a trashman, police officer, pilot, astronaut, etc.. what's that got to do with the price of eggs in china? (yes, that's deliberately worded wrong)

Be a man, it's not a theological debate to say you believe life begins at conception or birth, its your opinion. Besides, he's pro-choice, which means all the debate in the world won't change his mind, he should step and and announce it rather than trying to hide it so he won't run off the more religions supporters he has. He'll probably gain some in the process.

Agreed, he needs to declare a position, and state why he supports choice. It's not that hard. Yeah, some people are going be up in arms about it, but it's the same people as always, and it won't make much of a difference.

Bman wrote:The death penalty takes a life, but 99% of the pro-life are PRO-DEATH when it comes to that life.

Yep. If you've murdered an innocent human being, I think you've used up your right to live on this earth. My opinion of course. I'm sure you won't like it (and that's okay), so just save your fingers some typing and we'll agree to disagree and save the other posters/readers of the board of reading about us argue about this for the next 5 pages.

Cincy Fan 44 wrote:

Bman wrote:The death penalty takes a life, but 99% of the pro-life are PRO-DEATH when it comes to that life.

Yep. If you've murdered an innocent human being, I think you've used up your right to live on this earth. My opinion of course. I'm sure you won't like it (and that's okay), so just save your fingers some typing and we'll agree to disagree and save the other posters/readers of the board of reading about us argue about this for the next 5 pages.

You're wrong.. I'm right.. Chuck Norris says so.

Cincy, et. al. Re: right to life

I really didn't want to get all religious because we don't have a religion topic area. However, I feel this is appropriate given the current topic to present a justification for abstaining from judgement.

What happens when the right to sin (grace) without being immediately judged by God is preempted by man (humankind) who takes the power from God to decide instead who should live or die?

In Christianity, what does the New Testament say we should do when we are wronged? What if we are wronged by another Christian? Does the bible say anything about taking these issues into a court of law vs. resolving them between the brother/sister christian?

Those in the Government believe that God is far far away, and we must take care of terrestrial things because he is much to busy to trifle with our petty daily problems. Maybe they believe he will return someday to judge the living and the dead, but until then, they believe we're charged with taking care of God's creation(s).

I find absolutely nothing wrong with Obama saying, as President, he is not responsible for setting moral standards, and therefore refrains from making these kinds of statements.

Jugomugo wrote:Agreed, he needs to declare a position, and state why he supports choice. It's not that hard. Yeah, some people are going be up in arms about it, but it's the same people as always, and it won't make much of a difference.

BO make a 100% stance

moondrop wrote:



BO make a 100% stance

It cracks me up to hear this when McCain has obviuosly adjusted his stance to be more mainstream conservative. Then touting his vast experience before picking Palin and running as the candidate of change.
to that...

moondrop wrote: blahblahblah more crap blahblahblah complete bullshit blahblahblah i abuse my kids blahblahblah i am a sexless hermaphrodite blahblahblah

Thanks Pez...just needed a reason to post the GIF.

pez wrote:

What's up with that, can't he keep his finger pointing?

the hand gesture is similar to the letter F in Sign Language...

No, it actually means "Fuck" in sign language, it's sign slang....

http://www.lcdf.org/xwrits/GESTURES

meta4 wrote:the hand gesture is similar to the letter F in Sign Language...

No, it actually means "Fuck" in sign language, it's sign slang....

Learn something new everyday, guess I too old school.

floridafun wrote:mark--he chose NOT to interpret at what point life begins which would be based on his personal interpretation, a personal judgement call for our government to legislate sin. perfectly legitimate stance which is i agree is out of alignment with the ectremist far rights control issue. if you want to make abortion a criminal act, you have to figure out what the punishment will be for the woman seeking the act, not just the providor. if i pay someone to kill my spouse dont i get legally punished? the bible thumpers promoting the legislation of sin dont seem to think beyond controling womens choice in general.

Murder is legislated right? So how can you have laws against killing another individual if you can't define at what point life begins? Whether you think it's at conception or even at full term, he has to have an opinion. Do you think there should not be a minimum age for consensual sex? So when a 40 year old man is caught with a 15 year old girl, you should have no problem when his defense is that it's a "personal judgement".

floridafun wrote:and i am curious...how many foster kids have you hosted in your home? you know..all those kids who suffer physical and emotional abuse and neglect at the hands of ignorant biological parents who never wanted the responsibility to begin with?

That has to be the worst question I have heard, maybe even topping why Bush didn't send his kids to Iraq. Are you saying only women who wanted an abortion but were unable to get it have kids that suffer from abuse?