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Cincy Fan 44 wrote:The Today Show had a clip this morning of McCain using the identical phrase last October when describing Hillary's Health Care plan.

Bman wrote:

Cincy Fan 44 wrote:The Today Show had a clip this morning of McCain using the identical phrase last October when describing Hillary's Health Care plan.

Yea, it is ok when McCain uses this line, but Barack ... way over the line. I hope Barack keeps it in his stump speech personally ... knowing the great nice guy he is though, he will probably remove it out of being respectful to everyone.

Cincy Fan 44 wrote:

Bman wrote:

Cincy Fan 44 wrote:The Today Show had a clip this morning of McCain using the identical phrase last October when describing Hillary's Health Care plan.

Yea, it is ok when McCain uses this line, but Barack ... way over the line. I hope Barack keeps it in his stump speech personally ... knowing the great nice guy he is though, he will probably remove it out of being respectful to everyone.

Did I say it was over the line? I was only stating a fact. I kept my opinion out of it. Easy on the Starbucks...

Cincy Fan 44 wrote:Sorry. Don't ban me bro!

Bman wrote:

Cincy Fan 44 wrote:Sorry. Don't ban me bro!

Nah ... I would just rather taz you, that would be MUCH more fun.

Bman wrote:

Bman wrote:

Cincy Fan 44 wrote:Sorry. Don't ban me bro!

Nah ... I would just rather taz you, that would be MUCH more fun.

Hell, if I had a choice in the matter I would rather Taz Doe than ban her ... lol

Bman wrote:

Bman wrote:

Cincy Fan 44 wrote:Sorry. Don't ban me bro!

Nah ... I would just rather taz you, that would be MUCH more fun.

Hell, if I had a choice in the matter I would rather Taz Doe than ban her ... lol

Obama Not Alone In Using 'Lipstick On Pig' Phrase
Outrage Stirred After Barack Obama Says 'You Can Put Lipstick On A Pig' While On The Campaign Trail
LEBANON, Va. (CBS) ― Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama on Wednesday accused Republican John McCain's campaign of using "lies and phony outrage and Swift-boat politics" in claiming he used a sexist comment against vice presidential candidate Sarah Palin.

Calling it "the latest made-up controversy by the John McCain campaign," Obama responded to the Republicans' charge that he was referring to Palin when he used the phrase "lipstick on a pig" at a campaign stop Tuesday.

"I don't care what they say about me. But I love this country too much to let them take over another election with lies and phony outrage and Swift-boat politics. Enough is enough," he said.

Obama's reference was to the Swift Boat Veterans for Truth, an outside group that in 2004 made unsubstantiated allegations about Democratic nominee John Kerry's decorated military record in Vietnam.

On Tuesday, Obama criticized McCain's economic policies as similar to those of President Bush, saying: "You can put lipstick on a pig ... it's still a pig.

CBS News reporter Maria Gavrilovic reports that as the crowd laughed, Obama added: "You can you can, wrap an old fish in a piece of paper called change, it's still going to stink after 8 years. We've had enough of the same old thing."

The McCain campaign contended that the comments were directed at Palin, the GOP's first woman on a presidential ticket. In her acceptance speech last week, she had referred to herself in a joke about lipstick being the only difference between a hockey mom and a pit bull.

Accusing Obama of "smearing" Palin in "offensive and disgraceful" comments, the McCain campaign demanded an apology — though McCain himself used the folksy metaphor a few times last year, including once to describe Democratic Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton's health care plan.

Just moments after Obama's comments, the Republicans held their first ever "Truth Squad" call to condemn the remarks, reports Gavrilovic. Former Massachusetts Gov. Jane Swift interpreted Obama's remarks to mean that he called Palin a "pig" and McCain an "old fish."

When pressed on why she assumed that Obama was comparing Palin to a pig, Swift referred to Palin's "pit bull in lipstick" joke at the convention. She added, "as far as I know she is the only candidate that wears lipstick" and this "seems like a very gendered remark."

The McCain campaign on Wednesday issued an Internet ad that said Obama was talking about Palin and said of Obama: "Ready to lead? No. Ready to smear? Yes."

Obama began a discussion of education at a Norfolk high school on Wednesday by assailing McCain's campaign.

"What their campaign has done this morning is the same game that has made people sick and tired of politics in this country. They seize on an innocent remark, try to take it out of context, throw up an outrageous ad because they know that it's catnip for the news media," Obama said.

Obama's campaign has accused the GOP camp of engaging in a "pathetic attempt to play the gender card." In an e-mail to reporters Wednesday, the campaign noted two other instances of McCain using the phrase "lipstick on a pig" and its use by other Republicans such as House Minority Leader John Boehner and Arizona Sen. Jon Kyl.

According to CBSNews.com political reporter Brian Montopoli, Obama joins a long list of politicians and public figures who have used the very same phrase. Here is a short list:

"I think they put some lipstick on a pig, but it's still a pig." – John McCain, in reference to Hillary Clinton's health care plan, last year.

"George Bush has given a mission to General Petraeus, and he has done his best to try to figure out how to put lipstick on a pig." – Barack Obama, last year.

"Or as we say out in our home state of Wyoming, you can put all the lipstick you want on a pig, but it's still a pig." – Dick Cheney, 2004.

"It's all about withdrawal or not withdrawal, okay? I mean that's what it's all about. You can put lipstick on a pig, but it's still a pig." – John McCain, last year.

"You can put lipstick and earrings on a hog and call it Monique, but it's still a pig." – Texas Gov. Ann Richards.

"John Kerry tries to put a bunch of fancy, fancy talk...but there is nothing you can do to really -- to really obscure that record. You can try, though. And in Wyoming, we've got a saying for what it is when you keep trying to make something that's not so good look good, we call it putting lipstick on a pig." – Lynne Cheney, 2004.

"It gets down to whether you support what's being done in this new strategy or you don't. You can put lipstick on a pig. It's still a pig in my view." – John McCain, last year.

Mike Huckabee defended Obama in a conference call Wednesday, according to Montopoli. "I do not think he was referring to Sarah Palin; he didn't reference her," Huckabee said.

The Obama campaign also emailed to reporters quotes from more than 10 Republican officials who have used the phrase, among them House Minority Leader John Boehner and Former Republican Senator Rick Santorum.

(© 2008 CBS Broadcasting Inc. All Rights Reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten, or redistributed. The Associated Press contributed to this report.)

meta4 wrote:"This is a distraction tactic, because they don't want you to focus on the REAL issues."

LTRT wrote:

meta4 wrote:"This is a distraction tactic, because they don't want you to focus on the REAL issues."

As if a women with kids is a real issue and a man with kids is not.

meta4 wrote:

LTRT wrote:

meta4 wrote:"This is a distraction tactic, because they don't want you to focus on the REAL issues."

As if a women with kids is a real issue and a man with kids is not.

Not sure what you mean... are you referring to my "sexism" post re: some women who question Palin's ability to lead, her ambiguous family priorities which seem mis-aligned with her high moral stance? Her desire to occupy the VP office when it may appear to them that she has skewed priorities in her own family?

Quick Vote
Which do you think other people consider most heavily when casting their votes?
What the issues are 33% 59929
Who the candidate is 67% 121179
Total Votes: 181108

LTRT wrote:

meta4 wrote:

LTRT wrote:

meta4 wrote:"This is a distraction tactic, because they don't want you to focus on the REAL issues."

As if a women with kids is a real issue and a man with kids is not.

Not sure what you mean... are you referring to my "sexism" post re: some women who question Palin's ability to lead, her ambiguous family priorities which seem mis-aligned with her high moral stance? Her desire to occupy the VP office when it may appear to them that she has skewed priorities in her own family?

Looks like the readers of CNN's Quick Vote don't care about the issues?

Quick Vote
Which do you think other people consider most heavily when casting their votes?
What the issues are 33% 59929
Who the candidate is 67% 121179
Total Votes: 181108

floridafun wrote:the cnn question is what do you think other people will consider, not what will you be considering. big difference. i think especially the people flocking to the repubs after sarah was named are doing exactly what the question asks. problem with all those daily polls is they dont tell us exactly the wording on the poll question. it can make a huge difference in the answer.

meta4 wrote:

floridafun wrote:the cnn question is what do you think other people will consider, not what will you be considering. big difference. i think especially the people flocking to the repubs after sarah was named are doing exactly what the question asks. problem with all those daily polls is they dont tell us exactly the wording on the poll question. it can make a huge difference in the answer.

You don't really expect a McCain/Palin supporter to be able to tell the difference between two things, do ya? Rove playbook 101 states "don't worry about the differences, just be the same, in lockstep with party lines and we'll win"

And just imagine if people don't even read the poll question correctly, omitting "other" makes that poll vote immediately inaccurate.

meta4 wrote:Each time it seems Obama responds with something like "This is a distraction tactic, because they don't want you to focus on the REAL issues."

meta4 wrote:I enjoyed typing this post! Thanks!

LTRT wrote:

meta4 wrote:I enjoyed typing this post! Thanks!

Carry on then.