Biden vs. Palin

Guest Thu Oct 02, 2008 10:22 pm

Trying to act cute does not work for me...

Guest Thu Oct 02, 2008 11:02 pm

she rocks the booty poop.

Guest Fri Oct 03, 2008 9:03 am

Palin did better than I had hoped. I was soo looking forward to her making a fool of herself (ala Couric interview). But honestly, she had no straight answers, and didn't answer many questions. Her little cute sayings were annoying, and not something I would look for in an executive.

Biden did a decent job. I was hoping for him to got a bit more on the offensive, but he handled himself well.

**Cincy Fan 44** Fri Oct 03, 2008 9:30 am

I thought both sides did well last night. If you're voting for McCain, you're probably breathing a little easier today that Palin held her own and did well against a formidable opponent. If you're voting for Obama, you're probably disappointed Palin didn't screw up, but still happy that Biden didn't really screw up either.

Best line: "Say it ain't so Joe...there you go again looking at the past..."(or words to that effect)

Source: Thoughts inside my brain after watching the debate on TV on 10/2/08.

Guest Fri Oct 03, 2008 10:04 am

I am having trouble remembering a question she answered? Question on bancruptcy her answer was "I want to speak about my energy policy...". Question on subprime loans ... "I want to speak about my energy policy ..."

God Bless your heart ....

Joe Six Pack here ...

Hockeye Moms ...

She has NO substance.

Cincy if she gave you a warm fuzzy last night with that performance you POP way to easy.

Guest Fri Oct 03, 2008 10:11 am

I thought both sides did well also... I find it interesting how these debates are more about personality and presence than about comparing candidates based on issues. I think Palin was nervous in the beginning but came into it as the debate went on. Biden was good, I thought he appeared the less novel of the two, but my personal opinion is that the VP office has enough novelty already.

Palin turned me off personally in the exchange about the Iraq war. She employed a shrewd but somewhat predicatable debate ploy when Biden spoke of a timetable, and she said something to the effect of a timetable representing a white flag of surrender, and "that's not what our soldiers need to hear right now"... It effectively present her opinion (of surrender) as Biden's... anyway...

On issues and personality I'm still firmly in the Obama camp...

**Cincy Fan 44** Fri Oct 03, 2008 10:17 am

Bman wrote:Question on subprime loans ... "I want to speak about my energy policy ..."

Check the transcript bub...

IFILL: Governor, Senator, neither of you really answered that last question about what you would do as vice president. I'm going to come back to that...

... throughout the evening to try to see if we can look forward, as well.

Now, let's talk about -- the next question is to talk about the subprime lending meltdown.

Who do you think was at fault? I start with you, Gov. Palin. Was it the greedy lenders? Was it the risky home-buyers who shouldn't have been buying a home in the first place? And what should you be doing about it?

PALIN: Darn right it was the predator lenders, who tried to talk Americans into thinking that it was smart to buy a $300,000 house if we could only afford a $100,000 house. There was deception there, and there was greed and there is corruption on Wall Street. And we need to stop that.

Again, John McCain and I, that commitment that we have made, and we're going to follow through on that, getting rid of that corruption.

PALIN: One thing that Americans do at this time, also, though, is let's commit ourselves just every day American people, Joe Six Pack, hockey moms across the nation, I think we need to band together and say never again. Never will we be exploited and taken advantage of again by those who are managing our money and loaning us these dollars. We need to make sure that we demand from the federal government strict oversight of those entities in charge of our investments and our savings and we need also to not get ourselves in debt. Let's do what our parents told us before we probably even got that first credit card. Don't live outside of our means. We need to make sure that as individuals we're taking personal responsibility through all of this. It's not the American peoples fault that the economy is hurting like it is, but we have an opportunity to learn a heck of a lot of good lessons through this and say never again will we be taken advantage of.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think she answered that question you said she didn't.

**Cincy Fan 44** Fri Oct 03, 2008 10:24 am

The problem I have with telling everybody what your timetable is for ending the war is like the Colts giving the Bears their playbook before the big game. I have no problem if there is a timetable, but I think for those in the media that want to know, our politicians answers should be something along the lines of "You know, we have a timetable, and we're working with ________ leaders to achieve that. But at this time in the interest of National Security and the safety of our troops on the ground, we feel it is in the best interests of our country not to divulge that timetable to the public for fear of giving away what we're going to do next to the enemy."

LTRT Fri Oct 03, 2008 10:27 am

Bman wrote:I am having trouble remembering a question she answered? Question on bancruptcy her answer was "I want to speak about my energy policy...". Question on subprime loans ... "I want to speak about my energy policy ..."

God Bless your heart ....

Joe Six Pack here ...

Hockeye Moms ...

She has NO substance.

Cincy if she gave you a warm fuzzy last night with that performance you POP way to easy.

I was waiting for you to spew your garbage and hatred, here read it for yourself:
http://edition.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/10/02/debate.transcript/?iref=mpstoryview

I'm still waiting for Joe's answer:

IFILL: Governor, Senator, neither of you really answered that last question about what you would do as vice president. I'm going to come back to that...

... throughout the evening to try to see if we can look forward, as well.

Now, let's talk about -- the next question is to talk about the subprime lending meltdown.

Who do you think was at fault? I start with you, Gov. Palin. Was it the greedy lenders? Was it the risky home-buyers who shouldn't have been buying a home in the first place? And what should you be doing about it?

PALIN: Darn right it was the predator lenders, who tried to talk Americans into thinking that it was smart to buy a $300,000 house if we could only afford a $100,000 house. There was deception there, and there was greed and there is corruption on Wall Street. And we need to stop that.

Again, John McCain and I, that commitment that we have made, and we're going to follow through on that, getting rid of that corruption.

PALIN: One thing that Americans do at this time, also, though, is let's commit ourselves just every day American people, Joe Six Pack, hockey moms across the nation, I think we need to band together and say never again. Never will we be exploited and taken advantage of again by those who are managing our money and loaning us these dollars. We need to make sure that we demand from the federal government strict oversight of those entities in charge of our investments and our savings and we need also to not get ourselves in debt. Let's do what our parents told us before we probably even got that first credit card. Don't live outside of our means. We need to make sure that as individuals we're taking personal responsibility through all of this. It's not the American peoples fault that the economy is hurting like it is, but we have an opportunity to learn a heck of a lot of good lessons through this and say never again will we be taken advantage of.

IFILL: Senator?

BIDEN: Well Gwen, two years ago Barack Obama warned about the sub prime mortgage crisis. John McCain said shortly after that in December he was surprised there was a sub prime mortgage problem. John McCain while Barack Obama was warning about what we had to do was literally giving an interview to The Wall Street Journal saying that I'm always for cutting regulations. We let Wall Street run wild. John McCain and he's a good man, but John McCain thought the answer is that tried and true Republican response, deregulate, deregulate.

So what you had is you had overwhelming "deregulation." You had actually the belief that Wall Street could self-regulate itself. And while Barack Obama was talking about reinstating those regulations, John on 20 different occasions in the previous year and a half called for more deregulation. As a matter of fact, John recently wrote an article in a major magazine saying that he wants to do for the health care industry deregulate it and let the free market move like he did for the banking industry.

So deregulation was the promise. And guess what? Those people who say don't go into debt, they can barely pay to fill up their gas tank. I was recently at my local gas station and asked a guy named Joey Danco (ph). I said Joey, how much did it cost to fill your tank? You know what his answer was? He said I don't know, Joe. I never have enough money to do it. The middle class needs relief, tax relief. They need it now. They need help now. The focus will change with Barack Obama.

Read thru the transcript again before you come off half-cocked just to spread your thumping against anyone who doesn't side with the left. BOTH of them gave inaccuracies, http://www.usatoday.com/news/politics/election2008/2008-10-02-fact-check_N.htm?csp=34
but we know your love for BHO will never convince you so why do I even waste this space.

Edit: Then there's Cincy that saw right thru your blatant attempt to continue the smear.

LTRT Fri Oct 03, 2008 10:30 am

Cincy Fan 44 wrote:The problem I have with telling everybody what your timetable is for ending the war is like the Colts giving the Bears their playbook before the big game. I have no problem if there is a timetable, but I think for those in the media that want to know, our politicians answers should be something along the lines of "You know, we have a timetable, and we're working with ________ leaders to achieve that. But at this time in the interest of National Security and the safety of our troops on the ground, we feel it is in the best interests of our country not to divulge that timetable to the public for fear of giving away what we're going to do next to the enemy."

But Cincy, didn't you know that the media is suppose to know everything.

LTRT Fri Oct 03, 2008 10:32 am

Bman wrote:Hockeye Moms ...

Is that anything like a Buckeye?

Markwes Fri Oct 03, 2008 10:36 am

What a shocker. Bman thought Palin looked bad.

I thought it was pretty even. I'm sure Biden was told to stay under the radar and not say anything stupid, so he really just repeated a lot we have already heard. I thought Palin missed a chance to downplay the small town mom aspect. It's won her a lot of support as someone separated from the Washington scene, but I could have done without it during a debate, like Jugo said, a little on the cutesy side. All in all though, no clear cut winner.

LTRT Fri Oct 03, 2008 10:45 am

Markwes wrote:All in all though, no clear cut winner.

Don't you have your left-sided glasses on last night?

Stephanopoulos Again Declares the Liberal the Debate Winner

The grades from ex-Democratic operative Stephanopoulos. On “Strategy,” an A for Biden and an A-minus for Palin; on “Style,” an A-minus for Biden and an A for Palin; and on “Accuracy,” a B for both.

Asked by anchor Terry Moran to name “the winner,” Stephanopoulos argued:
Joe Biden, but boy, was this close.

**Cincy Fan 44** Fri Oct 03, 2008 10:46 am

LTRT wrote:
Bman wrote:Hockeye Moms ...

Is that anything like a Buckeye?

You can put lipstick on a wolverine, but it's still sh*t... Razz

LTRT Fri Oct 03, 2008 10:48 am

Cincy Fan 44 wrote:
LTRT wrote:
Bman wrote:Hockeye Moms ...

Is that anything like a Buckeye?
You can put lipstick on a wolverine, but it's still sh*t...

So you speak for the Bman now huh? Razz

Hockeye...Buckeye.....Must be a OSU inside joke. Laughing

**Cincy Fan 44** Fri Oct 03, 2008 10:50 am

LTRT wrote:
Cincy Fan 44 wrote:
LTRT wrote:
Bman wrote:Hockeye Moms ...

Is that anything like a Buckeye?
You can put lipstick on a wolverine, but it's still sh*t...

So you speak for the Bman now huh?

Hockeye...Buckeye.....Must be a OSU inside joke.

LOL...I didn't even notice the extra 'e' on the end... drunken

Guest Fri Oct 03, 2008 10:53 am

Cincy Fan 44 wrote:The problem I have with telling everybody what your timetable is for ending the war is like the Colts giving the Bears their playbook before the big game. I have no problem if there is a timetable, but I think for those in the media that want to know, our politicians answers should be something along the lines of "You know, we have a timetable, and we're working with ________ leaders to achieve that. But at this time in the interest of National Security and the safety of our troops on the ground, we feel it is in the best interests of our country not to divulge that timetable to the public for fear of giving away what we're going to do next to the enemy."

I am aware of this opinion, and it's a common one, but I think it's a misconception about what a timetable is.

I feel that a timetable is a realistic recognition of the steps necessary for exit from the costly situtation in Iraq. While this will include expectations that Iraq will be secured by Iraq, these expectations need to be realistic, arrived at by a sober and apolitcal assessment of the situation on the ground in Iraq. This will include provisions necessary for training of security forces, and material support of same, with the lone goal of self sufficiency.

I think it's a very simplistic view to take that if we say "18 months" that terrorists will say, "Aha, let us bide our time"... First, it imparts logic against a cause that is inherently illogical (find logic in 9/11??). Secondly, there will be terrorist threats in Iraq that Iraq will have to defend, regardless if the terrorists know we are leaving or not. Sooner or later we will be gone, and Iraq will have to face up to it's own set of challenges.

Our efforts in Iraq should be restricted to creating this self sufficiency, and if we cant say 18 months without dooming the Iraq security forces, then we have not adequately done our job.

Guest Fri Oct 03, 2008 1:40 pm

Hey there, Joe Sixpack! Cheer up, eh? You betcha we're gonna get in there and do a darn tootin' of a good job cleaning up this here mess! America is... Well, it's just great, and by golly, we're going to keep it that way. You betcha!

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floridafun Fri Oct 03, 2008 10:57 pm

no comments here about what disturbed me even more than the playing cutsie (sexist degradation of herself)..is that she is so excited that the constitution allows for her, if the good lord nd his followers bless her with being the veep, to have even more power than cheney has taken on. sent a chill doen my spine and it wasnt from being thrilled.

floridafun Fri Oct 03, 2008 11:00 pm

of course biden had to be very cool calm and collected, no too-long or angry glances at her that would be excitedly misinterpreted the next day as aggressive or condescending or disrespectful.

since she couldnt explain whats different about mcsames goals from bush policies..maybe some of the mcsame supporters here can explain that.

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