Mud slinging in Glass Houses

hoosierhelen wrote:Spamming is NOT what is occurring with my post.

I was prepared to ignore these but then Palin brought them up again on the campaign trail. John McCain says you can judge him by the company he keeps ... oh really?

John Hagee: McCain actively courted the endorsement of Rev. Hagee, a man who argued that biblical verses made clear that Adolf Hitler and the Holocaust was part of God’s plan to chase the Jews from Europe and drive them to Palestine, and who called the Catholic Church "the Great Whore".

Rick Davis: McCain's campaign manager remains the treasurer and director of his lobbying firm this year, the firm that has been paid a $15,000-a-month consulting fee from Freddie Mac. The fees continued until last month.

Rick Renzi: In October 2006, when the FBI was looking into allegations that the now indicted Rep. Rick Renzi (R-Ariz.) was under investigation for his involvement in a federal land transfer deal, Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.) came to Renzi's rescue. Here's a sample of an automated robocall made to voters in Renzi's district:

"This is Sen. John McCain. I'm calling to urge you to support my friend Rep. Rick Renzi for Congress. Rick has represented the first district of Arizona with tenacity, honesty and integrity beyond reproach. I work with Rick every day and can report to you his total dedication to the people of Arizona and the United States. Please join me in supporting rural Arizona's workhorse congressman on Nov. 7."

Renzi has also been one of the co-chairmen of McCain's presidential campaign in Arizona.

Joseph "Joe Bananas" Bonano: In 1995, McCain sent birthday regards, and regrets for not attending his birthday party, to Joseph "Joe Bananas" Bonano, the head of the New York Bonano crime family, who had retired to Arizona. Five members of the Bonano family have given the maximum personal donation to the McCain campaign.

Charles Keating: nuff said.

George W. Bush: ditto.

G. Gordon Liddy: Admitted to plotting to kill if necessary and to kidnap "leftist guerillas" at the 1972 Republican National Convention, instructed his radio audience on multiple occasions on how to shoot Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, and Firearms agents and also reportedly said he had named his shooting targets after Bill and Hillary Clinton.

Liddy has donated $5,000 to McCain’s campaigns since 1998, including $1,000 in February 2008. When McCain appeared on Liddy’s radio show on 11/8/07 McCain praised Liddy’s “adherence to the principles and philosophies that keep our nation great,” said he was proud of Liddy, and said that “it’s always a pleasure for me to come on your program.”

Obama was 8 years old when Ayers plotted to throw those famous bombs. In 1972, when Liddy was breaking into campaign offices and planning to kidnap and kill -- John McCain was 46, certainly old enough to form his own opinion about current events -- and he's "proud" of Liddy.

Go ahead, judge him by the company he keeps.

hoosierhelen wrote:I try to respect the youth, however, after reading some of your disrespectful responses to my beliefs, I am SO VERY DISAPPOINTED.

Get a grip kids - This world will never give you a break if you don't address it honestly. Fool youself and you will loose! My game has already been played. I'm comfortable (just unhappy with our nation's current condition). Do you think I need your approval? WRONG!!

Disregard my thoughts - I give a shit! I have nothing to loose. YOU do!

Helen

Vis wrote:

hoosierhelen wrote:Spamming is NOT what is occurring with my post.

LIAR

I was prepared to ignore these but then Palin brought them up again on the campaign trail. John McCain says you can judge him by the company he keeps ... oh really?

John Hagee: McCain actively courted the endorsement of Rev. Hagee, a man who argued that biblical verses made clear that Adolf Hitler and the Holocaust was part of God’s plan to chase the Jews from Europe and drive them to Palestine, and who called the Catholic Church "the Great Whore".

Rick Davis: McCain's campaign manager remains the treasurer and director of his lobbying firm this year, the firm that has been paid a $15,000-a-month consulting fee from Freddie Mac. The fees continued until last month.

Rick Renzi: In October 2006, when the FBI was looking into allegations that the now indicted Rep. Rick Renzi (R-Ariz.) was under investigation for his involvement in a federal land transfer deal, Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.) came to Renzi's rescue. Here's a sample of an automated robocall made to voters in Renzi's district:

"This is Sen. John McCain. I'm calling to urge you to support my friend Rep. Rick Renzi for Congress. Rick has represented the first district of Arizona with tenacity, honesty and integrity beyond reproach. I work with Rick every day and can report to you his total dedication to the people of Arizona and the United States. Please join me in supporting rural Arizona's workhorse congressman on Nov. 7."

Renzi has also been one of the co-chairmen of McCain's presidential campaign in Arizona.

Joseph "Joe Bananas" Bonano: In 1995, McCain sent birthday regards, and regrets for not attending his birthday party, to Joseph "Joe Bananas" Bonano, the head of the New York Bonano crime family, who had retired to Arizona. Five members of the Bonano family have given the maximum personal donation to the McCain campaign.

Charles Keating: nuff said.

George W. Bush: ditto.

G. Gordon Liddy: Admitted to plotting to kill if necessary and to kidnap "leftist guerillas" at the 1972 Republican National Convention, instructed his radio audience on multiple occasions on how to shoot Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, and Firearms agents and also reportedly said he had named his shooting targets after Bill and Hillary Clinton.

Liddy has donated $5,000 to McCain’s campaigns since 1998, including $1,000 in February 2008. When McCain appeared on Liddy’s radio show on 11/8/07 McCain praised Liddy’s “adherence to the principles and philosophies that keep our nation great,” said he was proud of Liddy, and said that “it’s always a pleasure for me to come on your program.”

Obama was 8 years old when Ayers plotted to throw those famous bombs. In 1972, when Liddy was breaking into campaign offices and planning to kidnap and kill -- John McCain was 46, certainly old enough to form his own opinion about current events -- and he's "proud" of Liddy.

Go ahead, judge him by the company he keeps.

Is your real name Tim Goeglin? You could have at least cited the poor guy you stole from.

hoosierhelen wrote:

Vis wrote:

hoosierhelen wrote:Spamming is NOT what is occurring with my post.

LIAR

I was prepared to ignore these but then Palin brought them up again on the campaign trail. John McCain says you can judge him by the company he keeps ... oh really?

John Hagee: McCain actively courted the endorsement of Rev. Hagee, a man who argued that biblical verses made clear that Adolf Hitler and the Holocaust was part of God’s plan to chase the Jews from Europe and drive them to Palestine, and who called the Catholic Church "the Great Whore".

Rick Davis: McCain's campaign manager remains the treasurer and director of his lobbying firm this year, the firm that has been paid a $15,000-a-month consulting fee from Freddie Mac. The fees continued until last month.

Rick Renzi: In October 2006, when the FBI was looking into allegations that the now indicted Rep. Rick Renzi (R-Ariz.) was under investigation for his involvement in a federal land transfer deal, Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.) came to Renzi's rescue. Here's a sample of an automated robocall made to voters in Renzi's district:

"This is Sen. John McCain. I'm calling to urge you to support my friend Rep. Rick Renzi for Congress. Rick has represented the first district of Arizona with tenacity, honesty and integrity beyond reproach. I work with Rick every day and can report to you his total dedication to the people of Arizona and the United States. Please join me in supporting rural Arizona's workhorse congressman on Nov. 7."

Renzi has also been one of the co-chairmen of McCain's presidential campaign in Arizona.

Joseph "Joe Bananas" Bonano: In 1995, McCain sent birthday regards, and regrets for not attending his birthday party, to Joseph "Joe Bananas" Bonano, the head of the New York Bonano crime family, who had retired to Arizona. Five members of the Bonano family have given the maximum personal donation to the McCain campaign.

Charles Keating: nuff said.

George W. Bush: ditto.

G. Gordon Liddy: Admitted to plotting to kill if necessary and to kidnap "leftist guerillas" at the 1972 Republican National Convention, instructed his radio audience on multiple occasions on how to shoot Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, and Firearms agents and also reportedly said he had named his shooting targets after Bill and Hillary Clinton.

Liddy has donated $5,000 to McCain’s campaigns since 1998, including $1,000 in February 2008. When McCain appeared on Liddy’s radio show on 11/8/07 McCain praised Liddy’s “adherence to the principles and philosophies that keep our nation great,” said he was proud of Liddy, and said that “it’s always a pleasure for me to come on your program.”

Obama was 8 years old when Ayers plotted to throw those famous bombs. In 1972, when Liddy was breaking into campaign offices and planning to kidnap and kill -- John McCain was 46, certainly old enough to form his own opinion about current events -- and he's "proud" of Liddy.

Go ahead, judge him by the company he keeps.

Is your real name Tim Goeglin? You could have at least cited the poor guy you stole from.

DUDE! WHO the Heck is Tim Goeglin? I have NO CLUE. I have heard of a Geoglein's catering service -- close as I can get to that connection!! You are one very paranoid individual when people don't see thing politically the same as you.

Should we pray?

God bless and be real!

Helen

Markwes wrote:Hmmm, I thought it was original. Guess I have to take back my "well done".

hoosierhelen wrote:

Markwes wrote:Hmmm, I thought it was original. Guess I have to take back my "well done".

what? you don't read the same material as your neighbor? DUDE - IF what we read is true - it is TRUE! Does ABC, NBC, CBS, CNN, MSN, etc. not have the same stories to report when they are true?

At least that is my belief.

Helen

IF you have no regard for your Grandmother, I have NO REGARD for you. Your lack of family values are showing bright and clear!

Helen

Vis wrote:

hoosierhelen wrote:

Markwes wrote:Hmmm, I thought it was original. Guess I have to take back my "well done".

what? you don't read the same material as your neighbor? DUDE - IF what we read is true - it is TRUE! Does ABC, NBC, CBS, CNN, MSN, etc. not have the same stories to report when they are true?

At least that is my belief.

Helen

So you're justified stealing someones post and posting it on seveal other boards? How very Tim Goeglin of you.

Vis,
You know and I know my words are my own. Yes I cut & pasted snippets from several newspapers. I don't even know this Goeglin guy you are referring to. Where he posts is unknown to me. You are showing your own issues when you concern yourself with this.

Grow up VIS - it will help.

Helen

IF you have no regard for your Grandmother, I have NO REGARD for you. Your lack of family values are showing bright and clear!

Helen

You're certifiable. FRAUD!

meta4 wrote:

hoosierhelen wrote:

LTRT wrote:Maybe it would be worth discussing if the sources weren't Huffington Post and NY Times.

We all know those all the best news sources in the world.

I didn't want to bore you all with long listings of references to the topics. Google any of them and you will find numerous references to each story by many various reporting agencies.

I agree this is just the tip of the ice berg too. This is going to get very ugly.

I don't read the defunct board anymore, surprised that anyone does. To each... I suppose. What I appreciate is the succinct and referenced bullet point summary (albeit subjective as all sources seem to be). These summary points will be good for quick reference as the next few months heat up the mud.

Hehe, "just the tip" +1

hoosierhelen wrote:VIS,
Apparently, you act as a mentor to some on this page. I have no idea why they need your guidance - however -inasmuch as they are convinced.

IF you have no regard for your Grandmother, I have NO REGARD for you. Your lack of family values are showing bright and clear!

Helen

Vis,
You know and I know my words are my own. Yes I cut & pasted snippets from several newspapers. I don't even know this Goeglin guy you are referring to. Where he posts is unknown to me. You are showing your own issues when you concern yourself with this.

Grow up VIS - it will help.

Helen

hoosierhelen wrote:

Markwes wrote:Hmmm, I thought it was original. Guess I have to take back my "well done".

what? you don't read the same material as your neighbor? DUDE - IF what we read is true - it is TRUE! Does ABC, NBC, CBS, CNN, MSN, etc. not have the same stories to report when they are true?

At least that is my belief.

Helen

Vis wrote:

Vis,
You know and I know my words are my own. Yes I cut & pasted snippets from several newspapers. I don't even know this Goeglin guy you are referring to. Where he posts is unknown to me. You are showing your own issues when you concern yourself with this.

Grow up VIS - it will help.

Helen

No, no you didn't as I demonstrated. You have lied about 7 times in this thread alone. Each time I've provided evidence contrary to your claims. I'll go on a limb here and suggest you're the only one on here who doesn't know who Tim is and why I mentioned it.

2008 resignation
Beginning in the 1985, Goeglein wrote guest columns that appeared on the editorial page of the Fort Wayne News-Sentinel, a home town newspaper.[4] He was not paid for any of these.[9]

In late February 2008, journalist Nancy Nall Derringer noticed a 2008 column by Goeglein that included the name "Eugene Rosenstock-Hussey". Because "this name was so goofy, just for the hell of it, I Googled it".[10]. She found the piece to be almost word-for-word identical to a 1998 piece by Jeffrey Hart in the Dartmouth Review.[11]

On February 28, 2008, Derringer notified an editor of the News-Sentinel, and wrote about Goeglein's plagiarism the next morning on her website.[10] Readers of the website and staffers at the News-Sentinel found that at least 20 of the 38 pieces written by Goeglein between 2000 and 2008 had instances of plagiarism.[9] By mid-afternoon of February 29, 2008, CNN reported the story. The White House issued a press release later that afternoon stating that President Bush was "disappointed to learn of the matter, and he was saddened for Tim and his family. He has long appreciated Tim's service, and he knows him to be a good person who is committed to his country." The press release said that the President had accepted Goeglein's resignation.[7]



Goeglein admitted that portions of the 2008 column were used from another source without attribution. He apologized to the editors of The News-Sentinel and also said there might be other columns that contained plagiarized material.[9] As of March 3, the paper had found a total of 27 columns with plagiarism, the earliest in 1995.[12]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tim_Goeglein

hoosierhelen wrote:What else are you? I don't even know you?
I must assume you accuse me of lies because you don't like my politics?
Please show me where I have lied? If NOT shut up!!

Helen

Cincy Fan 44 wrote:I have/had no idea who Tim Goeglin was/is until LTRT's post. Sounds like he pulled a Joe Biden?