Conservative America

Bman wrote:

meta4 wrote:Yeah, the Guitar Hero meter says Bman sucks rocks that song!

ah Meta that is so cute ... Kroman must think we are related man, because he has called you paranoid before too.

No he called me schizoid. Yay, we're not the same! But if you get bored I have a whole army of personalities that you can socialize with.

I still have a bruise from that. Thanks for bringing it back up.

Bman wrote:No we don't have to tolerate this kind of hate. The gun toting rednecks with their loaded killing machines can be escorted to a fenced in area for their protest like they do during the campaign season at that conventions. The gun lovers and protest around the corner from Obama and maybe shoot one another ... if they do not want to leave the crowded area with their loaded killing machine then arrest them and put them in jail. I would not feel comfortable at a Obama rally right now with freaks walking around with loaded AK47s strapped on their shoulder no more so than you feel safe raisiing your kids with armed drug dealers across the street.

i understand and agree about obvious hate-mongering agitating-for-fun types you refer to bman. wouldnt timothy mcveigh have loved being involved in this stuff?

what i am surprised at is that none of the small-gov supporters are voicing any opinions about how many extra security detail their taxes are paying for..somebody has to watch each of those proud gun-totin joe-the-carrier folks at all the public events going on lately..its ok for their taxes to go for that expense, but not to help a 60 yr old unemployed poor person get required treatments and have a cancer operation. oh unless its paid for by their medicare socialist public plan.

floridafun wrote:what i am surprised at is that none of the small-gov supporters are voicing any opinions about how many extra security detail their taxes are paying for..somebody has to watch each of those proud gun-totin joe-the-carrier folks at all the public events going on lately..its ok for their taxes to go for that expense, but not to help a 60 yr old unemployed poor person get required treatments and have a cancer operation. oh unless its paid for by their medicare socialist public plan.

You are missing the concept here. There are actually people who feel safer knowing there are law abiding citizens carrying a weapon. Why do you think extra security is needed? I'll tell you what. If I or someone I know is out in public and is threatened by a bad guy, I sure hope there is someone with a gun nearby. Of course the chance of getting threatened is considerably smaller in states where carrying a weapon is legal, but the gun controllers never talk about that. Kroman hit it on the head = paranoid.

Markwes wrote:

floridafun wrote:what i am surprised at is that none of the small-gov supporters are voicing any opinions about how many extra security detail their taxes are paying for..somebody has to watch each of those proud gun-totin joe-the-carrier folks at all the public events going on lately..its ok for their taxes to go for that expense, but not to help a 60 yr old unemployed poor person get required treatments and have a cancer operation. oh unless its paid for by their medicare socialist public plan.

You are missing the concept here. There are actually people who feel safer knowing there are law abiding citizens carrying a weapon. Why do you think extra security is needed? I'll tell you what. If I or someone I know is out in public and is threatened by a bad guy, I sure hope there is someone with a gun nearby. Of course the chance of getting threatened is considerably smaller in states where carrying a weapon is legal, but the gun controllers never talk about that. Kroman hit it on the head = paranoid.

WTFE .... yea having rabid Timothy McVeigh types at these rallies make it safer ... that is what these types are, they are Timothy McVeigh types. I think some on here are McVeigh types. I do ...

Bman wrote:WTFE .... yea having rabid Timothy McVeigh types at these rallies make it safer ... that is what these types are, they are Timothy McVeigh types. I think some on here are McVeigh types. I do ...

Dude, you need to get a grip. Right now you are the scariest on here as far as I'm concerned.

And by the way, nice job of contradicting your anti-gun stance by mentioning McVeigh. How would your stance of stricter gun laws have helped save people against someone making their own explosive? But I'm sure you have it all figured out.

Markwes wrote:

Bman wrote:WTFE .... yea having rabid Timothy McVeigh types at these rallies make it safer ... that is what these types are, they are Timothy McVeigh types. I think some on here are McVeigh types. I do ...

Dude, you need to get a grip. Right now you are the scariest on here as far as I'm concerned.

And by the way, nice job of contradicting your anti-gun stance by mentioning McVeigh. How would your stance of stricter gun laws have helped save people against someone making their own explosive? But I'm sure you have it all figured out.

1) I don't care what you think of me.

2) I was referring to Timothy McVeigh's mind set ... guns or bombs who gives a shit.

3) No one will EVER convince me that you need an AK47 for safety purposes or hunting ... they are used to kill in masses.

Bman wrote:

Markwes wrote:

Bman wrote:WTFE .... yea having rabid Timothy McVeigh types at these rallies make it safer ... that is what these types are, they are Timothy McVeigh types. I think some on here are McVeigh types. I do ...

Dude, you need to get a grip. Right now you are the scariest on here as far as I'm concerned.

And by the way, nice job of contradicting your anti-gun stance by mentioning McVeigh. How would your stance of stricter gun laws have helped save people against someone making their own explosive? But I'm sure you have it all figured out.

1) I don't care what you think of me.
Ha. That's good, because I was really worried about hurting your feelings.

2) I was referring to Timothy McVeigh's mind set ... guns or bombs who gives a shit.
I'm glad you have enlightened us. Now we know that anyone who carries a rifle openly to show they support the 2nd Amendment if a "Timothy McVeigh type". Way to judge without having facts as usual.

3) No one will EVER convince me that you need an AK47 for safety purposes or hunting ... they are used to kill in masses.
And so is ammonium nitrate mixed with motor fuel. What are you doing to get those banned?

Back to the topic. Please tell me you aren't so dense as to think these guys had an intent to kill outside of this meeting. Don't you think they would have had they wanted to?

You don't carry a LOADED gun for show ... if they had been provoked enough I believe they would have opened fire ... they are nut cases, remember the idiots who were screaming to kill Obama during the Palin/McCain rallies? How about the idiots that still don't think he was born in the US? These loaded gun toting idiots have the EXACT same mind set as Timothy McVeigh.

when tim was caught he was wearing a t shirt that said "The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants." he considered himself a patriot.

bman and i arent the only 2 nuts in america that are looking at home grown potential as a real threat issue.

http://crooksandliars.com/david-neiwert/yes-glenn-beck-militias-can-be-very-

http://www.scribd.com/doc/13290698/The-Modern-Militia-MovementMissouri-MIAC-Strategic-Report-20Feb09-

The hyper-normality is a kind of intentional camouflage. The Patriot movement, and militias in particular, were a very specific and intentional strategy adopted in the 1990s by the white supremacists and radical tax protesters of the American far right -- and the whole purpose of the strategy was to mainstream their belief systems and their agendas. The tactic was to adopt the appearance of normal, "red-blooded" Americanism as a way of pushing out the idea that their radical beliefs are "normal" too.

In the process, they often adopted time-worn "patriotic" sayings and symbols, such as the "Don't Tread On Me" flag Beck wears, as their own -- though with a much more menacing meaning. If you've seen that flag at an Aryan Nations compound, as I have, you never quite look at it the same.

This is why the meaning of Thomas Jefferson's quote above is quite different for them than it is for you and me. To all outward appearances, it is just an expression of avid patriotism. But to a Patriot movement follower, it means something potentially deadly.

the joe-the-carriers are having exactly the effect on me they were looking for. bullies totin guns hoping to make themselves seem like real men showing their capabilities at communications and conflict resolution. they scare me and it has gone too far.

ok in az to carry unconcealed in bars? thats sanity.

Good to see the moonbats are out flying today.....

Scooby01_98 wrote:Good to see the moonbats are out flying today.....

Please calling FF and I paranoid cracks me up when you and your kind are running around screaming that Obama is not a citizen, that he is a muslim, that you want your country back and have Glenn Beck crying about it for ratings. HILARIOUS ... it's been 7 months and we have completely taken your country from you? Talk about paranoid ... at least I am paranoid about people full of RAGE carrying loaded AK47's to political rallies.

You are a nut yourself Scooby, go join Kroman and move to Montana and be a militia man .... maybe McVeigh's family is there.

Bman wrote:Please calling FF and I paranoid cracks me up when you and your kind are running around screaming that Obama is not a citizen, that he is a muslim, that you want your country back and have Glenn Beck crying about it for ratings. HILARIOUS ... it's been 7 months and we have completely taken your country from you? Talk about paranoid ... at least I am paranoid about people full of RAGE carrying loaded AK47's to political rallies.

You are a nut yourself Scooby, go join Kroman and move to Montana and be a militia man .... maybe McVeigh's family is there.

A lot of anger, false accusations, and "you and your kind" references in this post. Sounds similar to something Timothy McVeigh might say.

My God man, listen to yourself...

Who called FF paranoid? I can understand your concern IF you were in AZ at that rally and felt directly threatened by something that protester did or said. There's nothing like vicarious fear. Paranoia blows fear out of proportion. The "righties" don't even need to push anything. In any case, I suppose there are somewhere in the order of at least several million if not more loaded weapons being carried at any point in time during any given day.

Side note, this weekend Monroeville had their yearly harvest festival parade, the American Legion had a float, the VFW, and Veterans of the Korean War. I think they all carried during the parade. Some were in uniform and in formation. I dare say not one person, not one child, was concerned. I'd estimate there were at least 1500 people there. Heck for all I know they might have been "show" guns that fired blanks.

I understand your concern, I just don't feel it's an all-purpose concern.

Markwes wrote:

Bman wrote:Please calling FF and I paranoid cracks me up when you and your kind are running around screaming that Obama is not a citizen, that he is a muslim, that you want your country back and have Glenn Beck crying about it for ratings. HILARIOUS ... it's been 7 months and we have completely taken your country from you? Talk about paranoid ... at least I am paranoid about people full of RAGE carrying loaded AK47's to political rallies.

You are a nut yourself Scooby, go join Kroman and move to Montana and be a militia man .... maybe McVeigh's family is there.

A lot of anger, false accusations, and "you and your kind" references in this post. Sounds similar to something Timothy McVeigh might say.

WE WANT OUR COUNTRY BACK
WE WANT OUR COUNTRY BACK
WE WANT OUR COUNTRY BACK
WE WANT OUR COUNTRY BACK

USA
USA
USA

OBAMA IS FROM KENYA
OBAMA IS FROM KENYA
OBAMA IS FROM KENYA

I am going to a rally with my loaded AK47 and going to martyr myself and take a shot and try to give the right wing the country back we have lost.

This situation WILL happen during Obama's term ... just wait. A right wing nationalistic racist redneck will have a gun at an event and try to kill Obama or his wife or kids.

Wanna bet?

Bman wrote:Wanna bet?

What that you'll be taking blood pressure pills? Chill out before you need to go see a doctor...

http://www.journalgazette.net/article/20090824/LOCAL07/308249983/1002/LOCAL


I feel sorry for the family of the victim but I would rather take my chances outlawing guns on campuses so that shit like this does not happen ... I would assume, maybe not but that alcohol was also involved. Young kids, alcohol and guns .... GREAT combination.

Bman wrote:http://www.journalgazette.net/article/20090824/LOCAL07/308249983/1002/LOCAL


I feel sorry for the family of the victim but I would rather take my chances outlawing guns on campuses so that shit like this does not happen ... I would assume, maybe not but that alcohol was also involved. Young kids, alcohol and guns .... GREAT combination.

It is indeed a sad situation, but what does it have to do with the topic that you started?

I know you're not attempting to suggest that it's conservatives' fault for this.

Everyone has berated me for being paranoid and freak for wanting stricter gun controls. Well, this is an instance where having guns on campus caused an innocent death and I don't buy for one minute that having guns in students and professors hands at college would stop more campus deaths than they would cause. What ... 19 were killed on VT campus which is a shame but I bet there would be more than 19 deaths on campuses per year in innocent type accidents. So my theory is that the campus and the public in general is safer with fewer guns on the street than more. I would rather take my chances in Fort Wayne being shot by a gang banger than letting my neighbors drink and have target shooting practice next to me.

That is why I put this in this thread because this thread is about gun control.

Bman wrote:Everyone has berated me for being paranoid and freak for wanting stricter gun controls. Well, this is an instance where having guns on campus caused an innocent death and I don't buy for one minute that having guns in students and professors hands at college would stop more campus deaths than they would cause. What ... 19 were killed on VT campus which is a shame but I bet there would be more than 19 deaths on campuses per year in innocent type accidents. So my theory is that the campus and the public in general is safer with fewer guns on the street than more. I would rather take my chances in Fort Wayne being shot by a gang banger than letting my neighbors drink and have target shooting practice next to me.

That is why I put this in this thread because this thread is about gun control.

Sure we've talked a lot about gun control and I won't disagree that we need gun control, but more strict? Why? You're going to have to justify the control and the measures, not just float on the tides of mass media emotion.

You have IMO done a poor job of even presenting a compelling argument as to why the current gun controls are insufficient. You have not successfully linked any pervasive sort of mass violence committed by or against any group. Period. McVeigh is totally irrelevant to this discussion, as is that kid (Landon). Guns don't kill people, people kill people. So for now, put away your broad stroke brushes and change your contact lenses.

meta4 wrote:

Bman wrote:Everyone has berated me for being paranoid and freak for wanting stricter gun controls. Well, this is an instance where having guns on campus caused an innocent death and I don't buy for one minute that having guns in students and professors hands at college would stop more campus deaths than they would cause. What ... 19 were killed on VT campus which is a shame but I bet there would be more than 19 deaths on campuses per year in innocent type accidents. So my theory is that the campus and the public in general is safer with fewer guns on the street than more. I would rather take my chances in Fort Wayne being shot by a gang banger than letting my neighbors drink and have target shooting practice next to me.

That is why I put this in this thread because this thread is about gun control.

Sure we've talked a lot about gun control and I won't disagree that we need gun control, but more strict? Why? You're going to have to justify the control and the measures, not just float on the tides of mass media emotion.

You have IMO done a poor job of even presenting a compelling argument as to why the current gun controls are insufficient. You have not successfully linked any pervasive sort of mass violence committed by or against any group. Period. McVeigh is totally irrelevant to this discussion, as is that kid (Landon). Guns don't kill people, people kill people. So for now, put away your broad stroke brushes and change your contact lenses.

You've lived in M'ville far too long. You need to surrender your liberal card and start hanging out at the NRA meetings and having dinner with Matt Kelty and Steven Shine.

Bman wrote:You've lived in M'ville far too long.

Maybe you need to go back to Ohio? I dunno what my address has to do with any of this, m'kay...

You crack me up. YSIW!

Speaking of Mr. Shine, I saw him this weekend, but I didn't see you.

Bman wrote:Everyone has berated me for being paranoid and freak for wanting stricter gun controls. Well, this is an instance where having guns on campus caused an innocent death and I don't buy for one minute that having guns in students and professors hands at college would stop more campus deaths than they would cause. What ... 19 were killed on VT campus which is a shame but I bet there would be more than 19 deaths on campuses per year in innocent type accidents. So my theory is that the campus and the public in general is safer with fewer guns on the street than more. I would rather take my chances in Fort Wayne being shot by a gang banger than letting my neighbors drink and have target shooting practice next to me.

That is why I put this in this thread because this thread is about gun control.

Do you even read the articles you post?!?! The apartment was off campus. From the article.

The shooting, which police are calling accidental, occurred just after 7 p.m. Saturday at an off-campus apartment near the university in West Lafayette.

My fucking point was I do not think college kids need guns ... on campus or off campus. No one is more safe with MORE guns around. More people are killed from accidental shootings or lover related spats than are killed by random acts of murder. Less guns = less deaths.

Bman wrote:My fucking point was I do not think college kids need guns ... on campus or of campus. No one is more safe with MORE guns around. More people are killed from accidental shootings or lover related spats than are killed by random acts of murder. Less guns = less deaths.

Every day you prove how much of an idiot you are. You better hope Obama care covers the mentally ill.