Obama's political capital

Does anyone seriously think that If Obama is able to pull off sweeping healtcare reform and sweeping financial reform within his first two years in office that the republicans will not get an even larger chunk of their collective asses handed to them in November?

Pez wrote:Does anyone seriously think that If Obama is able to pull off sweeping healtcare reform and sweeping financial reform within his first two years in office that the republicans will not get an even larger chunk of their collective asses handed to them in November?

By "pulling off" I assume you mean "jamming it down our throats".

I think by November it will be too early to tell if the reforms are a success or failure. Fact is this Congress is not very popular, and I would like to see all of them go, regardless of party.

Yielding to your argument for a hypothetical second... I am of the view that the GOP is as responsible for such jamming as the Dems are. When the GOP decided to take their ball and go home, they made a huge tactical error in thinking that they could overcome the Dem's majority... instead of helping produce a better bill, then effectively got the Dems bill passed.

If they hadn't been such buffoons, the bill would have been more of a compromise.

Pez wrote:Yielding to your argument for a hypothetical second... I am of the view that the GOP is as responsible for such jamming as the Dems are. When the GOP decided to take their ball and go home, they made a huge tactical error in thinking that they could overcome the Dem's majority... instead of helping produce a better bill, then effectively got the Dems bill passed.

If they hadn't been such buffoons, the bill would have been more of a compromise.

Yielding to the fact that this appears to be the same/lame argument from the left and almost looks like a duplicate post when discussing the HC bill....I suppose you dismiss the fact that our legislators represent us, the American people, and an overwhemingly majority of the non-elected people, (ie: US citizens) didn't/don't want the garbage that's coming out of DC and that comes from both sides of the aisle.

LTRT wrote:

Pez wrote:Yielding to your argument for a hypothetical second... I am of the view that the GOP is as responsible for such jamming as the Dems are. When the GOP decided to take their ball and go home, they made a huge tactical error in thinking that they could overcome the Dem's majority... instead of helping produce a better bill, then effectively got the Dems bill passed.

If they hadn't been such buffoons, the bill would have been more of a compromise.

Yielding to the fact that this appears to be the same/lame argument from the left and almost looks like a duplicate post when discussing the HC bill....I suppose you dismiss the fact that our legislators represent us, the American people, and an overwhemingly majority of the non-elected people, (ie: US citizens) didn't/don't want the garbage that's coming out of DC and that comes from both sides of the aisle.

Who says so?

I think people like LTRT are just afraid of what a 2nd Obama term will be like!!!! 4 more years! We needed HC reform desperately, and financial reform/regulation will be a benefit down the road. He is making long term decisions and fighting the long battle instead of worrying about today.

Heard where GM paid back the govt, most of the financial bailout has been paid back so what do all the chicken littles have to say now about the govt take over of our society?

jcopetti wrote:

Heard where GM paid back the govt, most of the financial bailout has been paid back so what do all the chicken littles have to say now about the govt take over of our society?

If you consider $6.5 mil of a $48.5 million dollar loan paid back. Then you, like GM needs go back to school and relearn math because that is a long way from paid back. I can't believe the ads they are running saying they have paid back the loan in full, with interest and ahead of schedule.

LTRT wrote:

Pez wrote:Yielding to your argument for a hypothetical second... I am of the view that the GOP is as responsible for such jamming as the Dems are. When the GOP decided to take their ball and go home, they made a huge tactical error in thinking that they could overcome the Dem's majority... instead of helping produce a better bill, then effectively got the Dems bill passed.

If they hadn't been such buffoons, the bill would have been more of a compromise.

Yielding to the fact that this appears to be the same/lame argument from the left and almost looks like a duplicate post when discussing the HC bill....I suppose you dismiss the fact that our legislators represent us, the American people, and an overwhemingly majority of the non-elected people, (ie: US citizens) didn't/don't want the garbage that's coming out of DC and that comes from both sides of the aisle.

We have a republic for a reason... majority rule is tyranny. It's a duplicate post because it's worth repeating... the GOP gave Obama a second term. Gift wrapped it.

According to Ramussen, 54% disapprove of the president's performance. A 2nd term is hardly "gift-wrapped". You seem to imply that party leaders solely determine whether or not the opposnig party's incumbent leader gets re-elected.

Markwes wrote:According to Ramussen, 54% disapprove of the president's performance. A 2nd term is hardly "gift-wrapped". You seem to imply that party leaders solely determine whether or not the opposnig party's incumbent leader gets re-elected.

+/- 3%... so 51 or 57%... in an economy that has just begun to recover. Perhaps the GOP senators can block debate on Financial Reform as well.

In more serious and less-frothing language... I doubt very seriously that the GOP can come up with a candidate that can beat Obama. Is that a perfect universe? No... but Newt wont beat Obama, Palin would be a dream for the Dems... Romney is too aligned with the tea party, McCain is done...

If you add financial reform to Obama's list of accomplishments (the president gets the credit and the blame), I highly doubt anyone can beat him in 2012... never mind the fact that he will likely have our troops out of Iraq or Afghanistan by the time 2012 rolls around... The economy seems to be on a guarded recovery path... It's not bad for two years' work.

whats the approval rating for repubs?
whats the approval rating for the 20% of population teabaggers?
whats the approval rating for libertarians?

do the repubs or any alternate party have a candidate in mind at all yet for 2012..any for the 2010 local elections..except rubio?
how 'bout them there straw polls they do at all the repub gatherings..how are those looking?

floridafun wrote:whats the approval rating for repubs?
whats the approval rating for the 20% of population teabaggers?
whats the approval rating for libertarians?

do the repubs or any alternate party have a candidate in mind at all yet for 2012..any for the 2010 local elections..except rubio?
how 'bout them there straw polls they do at all the repub gatherings..how are those looking?

I don't know. I just know he is not a popular president right now. And that it's way too soon to be saying he has a 2nd term in the bag after one year at the helm.

Markwes wrote:

floridafun wrote:whats the approval rating for repubs?
whats the approval rating for the 20% of population teabaggers?
whats the approval rating for libertarians?

do the repubs or any alternate party have a candidate in mind at all yet for 2012..any for the 2010 local elections..except rubio?
how 'bout them there straw polls they do at all the repub gatherings..how are those looking?

I don't know. I just know he is not a popular president right now. And that it's way too soon to be saying he has a 2nd term in the bag after one year at the helm.

If I remember correctly, Bush Sr.'s approval ratings were really, really high after his 1st year in office, and we all know how that turned out. So I take approval ratings with a grain of salt at this point. I do know one thing...I don't like all of the spending this administration has done.

Cincy Fan 44 wrote:

Markwes wrote:

floridafun wrote:whats the approval rating for repubs?
whats the approval rating for the 20% of population teabaggers?
whats the approval rating for libertarians?

do the repubs or any alternate party have a candidate in mind at all yet for 2012..any for the 2010 local elections..except rubio?
how 'bout them there straw polls they do at all the repub gatherings..how are those looking?

I don't know. I just know he is not a popular president right now. And that it's way too soon to be saying he has a 2nd term in the bag after one year at the helm.

If I remember correctly, Bush Sr.'s approval ratings were really, really high after his 1st year in office, and we all know how that turned out. So I take approval ratings with a grain of salt at this point. I do know one thing...I don't like all of the spending this administration has done.

Do you mean Jr.? At any rate, that was my point that after one year, it's too early to speculate if he will win a 2nd term. But I do say it's easier to ruin a good approval rating than it is to reverse a poor one.

Markwes wrote:

Cincy Fan 44 wrote:

Markwes wrote:

floridafun wrote:whats the approval rating for repubs?
whats the approval rating for the 20% of population teabaggers?
whats the approval rating for libertarians?

do the repubs or any alternate party have a candidate in mind at all yet for 2012..any for the 2010 local elections..except rubio?
how 'bout them there straw polls they do at all the repub gatherings..how are those looking?

I don't know. I just know he is not a popular president right now. And that it's way too soon to be saying he has a 2nd term in the bag after one year at the helm.

If I remember correctly, Bush Sr.'s approval ratings were really, really high after his 1st year in office, and we all know how that turned out. So I take approval ratings with a grain of salt at this point. I do know one thing...I don't like all of the spending this administration has done.

Do you mean Jr.? At any rate, that was my point that after one year, it's too early to speculate if he will win a 2nd term. But I do say it's easier to ruin a good approval rating than it is to reverse a poor one.

No I meant Sr. I'm thinking back to the 1st Gulf War, his takedown of Noriega, etc...and how his approval ratings seemed sky high...and then the economy receded and some guy who could play the saxophone on the Tonight Show came out of nowhere and won in '92.