on that wall street reform thingy..

floridafun wrote:harry "ok mitch what stronger items do you want added to make your team agree on the bill?"
mitch "well theres this....blah blah"
harry "ok what else"
mitch "this and this and tweek this line.."
harry ok i can do it. will you repubs get on board then?"
mitch "uh...no. the majority of americans dont want us on this, they want us to develop some jobs industries"
harry "bbut if we do the developing they will shout big gov!"
mitch "....exactly...tee hee"

floridafun wrote:pez the dems are not trying to pass their version of a bill specifically. they are asking for the bill to be DISCUSSED in an "open" (televised..like in transparent) forum, which would allow a bill to actually get created hopefully (tee hee) in a pipartisan manner. period. lets talk about it and try to find some common ground and get something passed thats for the good of america.

scooby..whats in it for the republicans?? uh for one thing they can show in a public debate/forum exactly what they would like added, and how the dems respond. they could show their supporters they want to see reform and are willing to have an adult conversation as their constituants watch. seems to me the party of no thing wore itself pretty thin by now and they really need a new game plan. arent they already at 30% in polls?

floridafun wrote:pez the dems are not trying to pass their version of a bill specifically. they are asking for the bill to be DISCUSSED in an "open" (televised..like in transparent) forum, which would allow a bill to actually get created hopefully (tee hee) in a pipartisan manner. period. lets talk about it and try to find some common ground and get something passed thats for the good of america.

Scooby01_98 wrote: Why should gov't limit the size of a business? Yeah have more regulation (i.e. no mixing of funds, larger reserves etc.) But this bill can tell a company like BofA you are too big sell part of your company or the government will.

**if for no other reason..if they are at risk for failure in the future..it will allow them to fail with no gov intervention. do you disagree with the thought that due to lack of regulation (not even considering the mortgage casino activities or the huge amount of international insuring of whatever)-- most big player employers payroll and expense funds and operating expenses, pensions, retirement plans like 401k etc, altho the moneys may have been held by say wells fargo were actually secured/insured thru places like aig and goldman? i hope this bill firmly curtails the passing on of responsibility among coconspirators. **

Or use it for political blackmail. Say give us a more moderate justice on the supreme court and we will vote for your bill.

**more moderate than who? you want a new version of alito who is soo corporate friendly? please keep in mind the dems are appointing. we must have balance between lib, centrist, and uber conservatives on our supreme court. why would a dem put alito II in? did bush put any liberals in while he was prez?? **

Or what the heck Dems you got the majority, ram it through like healthcare and we will see in November what the consequences of elections are (to use a Peloski line). The make up of congress will be much different next year. Will probably have a Republican house. Dems may control the Senate but Reid won't be majority leader. So wait till next year.

**seriously. it was rammed thru? it was a major topic of discussion since early in the primaries and since obama took office. come on scooby be realistic please. with all the constant talking point lies by the repubs and teabaggers about hcr killing grandma, rationing treatments/meds, it will make all women get abortions, it will include putting republicans in internment camps, the president is the antichrist/commie/socialist/kenyan illegal alien not even qualified to be prez, passage would be armageddon, ushering in communism, and all the pathetic hate-mongering and encouragement of the hysterical TAKE BACK OUR COUNTRY, ITS TIME FOR A REVOLUTION ginning up those who want a do-over of the revolutionary war...after a year of minimal discussion and maximum glennbeckistanian michelle bachmanny ignorance..you say it was rammed thru like your team didnt have any opportunity to rationally discuss what they wanted added or removed??**

floridafun wrote:

Scooby01_98 wrote: Why should gov't limit the size of a business? Yeah have more regulation (i.e. no mixing of funds, larger reserves etc.) But this bill can tell a company like BofA you are too big sell part of your company or the government will.

**if for no other reason..if they are at risk for failure in the future..it will allow them to fail with no gov intervention. do you disagree with the thought that due to lack of regulation (not even considering the mortgage casino activities or the huge amount of international insuring of whatever)-- most big player employers payroll and expense funds and operating expenses, pensions, retirement plans like 401k etc, altho the moneys may have been held by say wells fargo were actually secured/insured thru places like aig and goldman? i hope this bill firmly curtails the passing on of responsibility among coconspirators. **

Or use it for political blackmail. Say give us a more moderate justice on the supreme court and we will vote for your bill.

**more moderate than who? you want a new version of alito who is soo corporate friendly? please keep in mind the dems are appointing. we must have balance between lib, centrist, and uber conservatives on our supreme court. why would a dem put alito II in? did bush put any liberals in while he was prez?? **

Or what the heck Dems you got the majority, ram it through like healthcare and we will see in November what the consequences of elections are (to use a Peloski line). The make up of congress will be much different next year. Will probably have a Republican house. Dems may control the Senate but Reid won't be majority leader. So wait till next year.

**seriously. it was rammed thru? it was a major topic of discussion since early in the primaries and since obama took office. come on scooby be realistic please. with all the constant talking point lies by the repubs and teabaggers about hcr killing grandma, rationing treatments/meds, it will make all women get abortions, it will include putting republicans in internment camps, the president is the antichrist/commie/socialist/kenyan illegal alien not even qualified to be prez, passage would be armageddon, ushering in communism, and all the pathetic hate-mongering and encouragement of the hysterical TAKE BACK OUR COUNTRY, ITS TIME FOR A REVOLUTION ginning up those who want a do-over of the revolutionary war...after a year of minimal discussion and maximum glennbeckistanian michelle bachmanny ignorance..you say it was rammed thru like your team didnt have any opportunity to rationally discuss what they wanted added or removed??**

Scooby01_98 wrote:So those closed door meetings with just democrat reps and senators reported on all the news channels were????

Pez wrote:

Scooby01_98 wrote:So those closed door meetings with just democrat reps and senators reported on all the news channels were????

Potlucks. No reason we cant have a laugh.

Scooby01_98 wrote:

So those closed door meetings with just democrat reps and senators reported on all the news channels were????

floridafun wrote:

Scooby01_98 wrote:

So those closed door meetings with just democrat reps and senators reported on all the news channels were????

how about all the open door on cspan which did have republicans present? committee meets particularly where doctors, nurses, ama, insurance folks, some real americans, etc were there in the open for anyone who wanted to watch. what i didnt watch on tee vee live i watched on the youtubes. of course cspan is probably a msm liberal group...true every word spoken on the topic wasnt recorded. true the dems did have meetings repubs werent invited to. and just as true the dems invited repubs to numerous discussions but none appeared. they were on tee vee explaining why they wouldnt budge so no use attending..as dems were on tee vee reporting what was under discussion and that no repubs came altho they were invited. and they attended all the first several meetings with dems...until the day boner told his team to just say no cause it would be obamas waterloo.

Scooby01_98 wrote:

floridafun wrote:

Scooby01_98 wrote:

So those closed door meetings with just democrat reps and senators reported on all the news channels were????

how about all the open door on cspan which did have republicans present? committee meets particularly where doctors, nurses, ama, insurance folks, some real americans, etc were there in the open for anyone who wanted to watch. what i didnt watch on tee vee live i watched on the youtubes. of course cspan is probably a msm liberal group...true every word spoken on the topic wasnt recorded. true the dems did have meetings repubs werent invited to. and just as true the dems invited repubs to numerous discussions but none appeared. they were on tee vee explaining why they wouldnt budge so no use attending..as dems were on tee vee reporting what was under discussion and that no repubs came altho they were invited. and they attended all the first several meetings with dems...until the day boner told his team to just say no cause it would be obamas waterloo.

But wait a minute. A couple of posts up you said the "discussion" takes place on the floor. Sounds like the discussion actually takes place in the committee meetings; where they draft the bill, have hearings, CBO input etc. Sounds to me on floor is just the amendment process not the "discussion" process.

floridafun wrote:

Scooby01_98 wrote:

So those closed door meetings with just democrat reps and senators reported on all the news channels were????

how about all the open door on cspan which did have republicans present? committee meets particularly where doctors, nurses, ama, insurance folks, some real americans, etc were there in the open for anyone who wanted to watch. what i didnt watch on tee vee live i watched on the youtubes. of course cspan is probably a msm liberal group...true every word spoken on the topic wasnt recorded. true the dems did have meetings repubs werent invited to. and just as true the dems invited repubs to numerous discussions but none appeared. they were on tee vee explaining why they wouldnt budge so no use attending..as dems were on tee vee reporting what was under discussion and that no repubs came altho they were invited. and they attended all the first several meetings with dems...until the day boner told his team to just say no cause it would be obamas waterloo.