Iran: the 4th quarter firestarter

Was just listening to Fresh Air on NPR with Seymour Hersh who was talking about current covert operations based from Afghanistan on targets within Iran.

Very Bad Doo Doo here

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=92025860

http://www.usnews.com/usnews/politics/bulletin/bulletin_080630.htm

meta4 wrote:Was just listening to Fresh Air on NPR with Seymour Hersh who was talking about current covert operations based from Afghanistan on targets within Iran.

Very Bad Doo Doo here

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=92025860

http://www.usnews.com/usnews/politics/bulletin/bulletin_080630.htm

Hehe... I just popped on here to post about this. Yea, this is very interesting stuff. The fact that 4 democrats (including pelosi and reid) approved it is somewhat telling also. $400 million dollars to destabilizae Iran, whilst we are characterizing Iran as a force destabilizing Iraq.

It frightens me what this administration is capable of. The Presidential finding to request authorization included the phrase "defensively lethal activities..."

pez wrote:
It frightens me what this administration is capable of. The Presidential finding to request authorization included the phrase "defensively lethal activities..."

And even after this language, a 400 million dollar disbursement without question or reservation.

.... on top of that, not sure if you hear this as well, but I'm listening on FM radio and the program has cut out now 3x since 1:30pm for about 60 seconds each time... just static.

meta4 wrote:

pez wrote:
It frightens me what this administration is capable of. The Presidential finding to request authorization included the phrase "defensively lethal activities..."

And even after this language, a 400 million dollar disbursement without question or reservation.

.... on top of that, not sure if you hear this as well, but I'm listening on FM radio and the program has cut out now 3x since 1:30pm for about 60 seconds each time... just static.

I didnt hear that... I'm listening to it via nipr.fm... the audio cuts out for a few second now and then, but it picks up where it left off.

What I'm scratching my head about is why anyone even knows about this...

Articles like this: http://blogs.abcnews.com/theblotter/2007/05/bush_authorizes.html

Which use language like:

"The CIA has received secret presidential approval to mount a covert "black" operation to destabilize the Iranian government, current and former officials in the intelligence community tell the Blotter on ABCNews.com."

Make me wonder who in our government is actually thinking... and I'm sure the plausible answer is Propaganda sometimes 'feels' like this. But in the sense that it is a propaganda campaign, I am puzzled how it would work if our enemy knows we're trying to screw with them...

AND contrary to as Pez mentioned above, "defensively lethal" is double-spoken this way:

The sources, who spoke on the condition of anonymity because of the sensitive nature of the subject, say President Bush has signed a "nonlethal presidential finding" that puts into motion a CIA plan that reportedly includes a coordinated campaign of propaganda, disinformation and manipulation of Iran's currency and international financial transactions.

meta4 wrote:Make me wonder who in our government is actually thinking... and I'm sure the plausible answer is Propaganda sometimes 'feels' like this. But in the sense that it is a propaganda campaign, I am puzzled how it would work if our enemy knows we're trying to screw with them...

Funny, makes me think the Austrians are screwing with our heads regarding Schwartenegger. It's only a matter of time before he's able to change the US Constitution that says you have to be born in the US to be president, then he'll get elected. At that point, the Austrians will make their long-awaited move and take over our country...

Cincy Fan 44 wrote:

meta4 wrote:Make me wonder who in our government is actually thinking... and I'm sure the plausible answer is Propaganda sometimes 'feels' like this. But in the sense that it is a propaganda campaign, I am puzzled how it would work if our enemy knows we're trying to screw with them...

Funny, makes me think the Austrians are screwing with our heads regarding Schwartenegger. It's only a matter of time before he's able to change the US Constitution that says you have to be born in the US to be president, then he'll get elected. At that point, the Austrians will make their long-awaited move and take over our country...

... and I thought I was a paranoid whacked out nut-job ...

here is the vote record. i am surprised over a third of the yea's were from dems!

http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=110&session=1&vote=00349

U.S. Senate Roll Call Votes 110th Congress - 1st Session

as compiled through Senate LIS by the Senate Bill Clerk under the direction of the Secretary of the Senate


Vote Summary

Question: On the Amendment (Kyl Amdt. No. 3017 as Modified )
Vote Number: 349 Vote Date: September 26, 2007, 12:44 PM
Required For Majority: 3/5 Vote Result: Amendment Agreed to
Amendment Number: S.Amdt. 3017 to S.Amdt. 2011 to H.R. 1585 (National Defense Authorization Act for Fiscal Year 2008)
Statement of Purpose: To express the sense of the Senate regarding Iran.
Vote Counts: YEAs 76
NAYs 22
Not Voting 2
Vote Summary By Senator Name By Vote Position By Home State


Alphabetical by Senator Name Akaka (D-HI), Yea
Alexander (R-TN), Yea
Allard (R-CO), Yea
Barrasso (R-WY), Yea
Baucus (D-MT), Yea
Bayh (D-IN), Yea
Bennett (R-UT), Yea
Biden (D-DE), Nay
Bingaman (D-NM), Nay
Bond (R-MO), Yea
Boxer (D-CA), Nay
Brown (D-OH), Nay
Brownback (R-KS), Yea
Bunning (R-KY), Yea
Burr (R-NC), Yea
Byrd (D-WV), Nay
Cantwell (D-WA), Nay
Cardin (D-MD), Yea
Carper (D-DE), Yea
Casey (D-PA), Yea
Chambliss (R-GA), Yea
Clinton (D-NY), Yea
Coburn (R-OK), Yea
Cochran (R-MS), Yea
Coleman (R-MN), Yea
Collins (R-ME), Yea
Conrad (D-ND), Yea
Corker (R-TN), Yea
Cornyn (R-TX), Yea
Craig (R-ID), Yea
Crapo (R-ID), Yea
DeMint (R-SC), Yea
Dodd (D-CT), Nay
Dole (R-NC), Yea
Domenici (R-NM), Yea
Dorgan (D-ND), Yea
Durbin (D-IL), Yea
Ensign (R-NV), Yea
Enzi (R-WY), Yea
Feingold (D-WI), Nay
Feinstein (D-CA), Yea
Graham (R-SC), Yea
Grassley (R-IA), Yea
Gregg (R-NH), Yea
Hagel (R-NE), Nay
Harkin (D-IA), Nay
Hatch (R-UT), Yea
Hutchison (R-TX), Yea
Inhofe (R-OK), Yea
Inouye (D-HI), Nay
Isakson (R-GA), Yea
Johnson (D-SD), Yea
Kennedy (D-MA), Nay
Kerry (D-MA), Nay
Klobuchar (D-MN), Nay
Kohl (D-WI), Yea
Kyl (R-AZ), Yea
Landrieu (D-LA), Yea
Lautenberg (D-NJ), Yea
Leahy (D-VT), Nay
Levin (D-MI), Yea
Lieberman (ID-CT), Yea
Lincoln (D-AR), Nay
Lott (R-MS), Yea
Lugar (R-IN), Nay
Martinez (R-FL), Yea
McCain (R-AZ), Not Voting
McCaskill (D-MO), Nay
McConnell (R-KY), Yea
Menendez (D-NJ), Yea
Mikulski (D-MD), Yea
Murkowski (R-AK), Yea
Murray (D-WA), Yea
Nelson (D-FL), Yea
Nelson (D-NE), Yea
Obama (D-IL), Not Voting
Pryor (D-AR), Yea
Reed (D-RI), Yea
Reid (D-NV), Yea
Roberts (R-KS), Yea
Rockefeller (D-WV), Yea
Salazar (D-CO), Yea
Sanders (I-VT), Nay
Schumer (D-NY), Yea
Sessions (R-AL), Yea
Shelby (R-AL), Yea
Smith (R-OR), Yea
Snowe (R-ME), Yea
Specter (R-PA), Yea
Stabenow (D-MI), Yea
Stevens (R-AK), Yea
Sununu (R-NH), Yea
Tester (D-MT), Nay
Thune (R-SD), Yea
Vitter (R-LA), Yea
Voinovich (R-OH), Yea
Warner (R-VA), Yea
Webb (D-VA), Nay
Whitehouse (D-RI), Yea
Wyden (D-OR), Nay

sen kyle sponsored it. leiberman, cole, alexander, ensign, graham, corker, thune and mccain co-sponsored it.

this was the one last sept hillary went back to dc to vote for, that we were made well aware thru the media was a basic consent the same as was consented to as we approached war with iraq.