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Post  Guest Sat Mar 08, 2008 11:40 am

Bush to Veto Legislation Barring Use of Waterboarding

Saturday , March 08, 2008

President Bush is poised to veto legislation that would bar the CIA from using waterboarding a technique that simulates drowning and other harsh interrogation methods on terror suspects.

The president planned to talk about the veto in his Saturday radio address.

Bush has said the bill would harm the government's ability to prevent future attacks. Supporters of the legislation argue that it preserves the United States' right to collect critical intelligence while boosting the country's moral standing abroad.

"The bill would take away one of the most valuable tools on the war on terror, the CIA program to detain and question key terrorist leaders and operatives," deputy White House press secretary Tony Fratto said Friday.

The bill would restrict the CIA to using only the 19 interrogation techniques listed in the Army field manual.

The legislation would bar the CIA from using waterboarding, sensory deprivation or other coercive methods to break a prisoner who refuses to answer questions. Those practices were banned by the military in 2006, but the president wants the harsh interrogation methods to be a part of the CIA's toolbox.

Backers of the legislation, which cleared the House in December and won Senate approval last month, say the interrogation methods used by the military are sufficient.

"President Bush's veto will be one of the most shameful acts of his presidency," Sen. Edward Kennedy, D-Mass., said in a statement Friday. "Unless Congress overrides the veto, it will go down in history as a flagrant insult to the rule of law and a serious stain on the good name of America in the eyes of the world."

He noted that the Army field manual contends that harsh interrogation is a "poor technique that yields unreliable results, may damage subsequent collection efforts, and can induce the source to say what he thinks the (interrogator) wants to hear."

Woohoo! Hey, since we're going to be supporting torture, I guess all the other countries can throw the Geneva Convention out the window as well.
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Post  Guest Sat Mar 08, 2008 6:40 pm

That is the sad part about his approach here. It now means our soldiers can be tortured too, I know some are going to say Al Quida already lops our heads off on video but I am more concerned if we go to war against a normal army type country. We need to take the high road even against Al Quida ... show America is above this kind of stuff.
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Post  Scooby01_98 Sat Mar 08, 2008 11:52 pm

I don't know, talking to some veterans of the vietnam war neither side was perfect and that was your regular army types that were suppose to be following the geneva convention. I look at it as more of the way we look at nuclear weapons. We have them, we have the option, we just don't have to use them.

Another problem is a lot of people want war to be nice and tidy. More of a police action (freeze you're under arrest) instead of destroying the enemy. Remember the goal is to kill more of them than they kill of us.

So I say we should have the option. The military shouldn't have to consult with an attorney before they interigate the enemy, or for that matter shoot the enemy on the battlefield.
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Post  Canuck Sun Mar 09, 2008 1:32 am

Not sure if you guys saw this:

http://www.impeachbush.org/site/News2/886604349?page=NewsArticle&id=5261&news_iv_ctrl=1041

Figure this is linked to this thread.
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Post  Markwes Sun Mar 09, 2008 2:53 am

Canuck wrote:Not sure if you guys saw this:

http://www.impeachbush.org/site/News2/886604349?page=NewsArticle&id=5261&news_iv_ctrl=1041

Figure this is linked to this thread.
Is there a link to impeach whoever the next president is? I'd like to see that one!
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Post  Canuck Sun Mar 09, 2008 2:32 pm

I don't know if there is one Markwes. Did you start one? LOL.
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Post  floridafun Sun Mar 09, 2008 11:43 pm

Scooby01_98 wrote:I don't know, talking to some veterans of the vietnam war neither side was perfect and that was your regular army types that were suppose to be following the geneva convention. I look at it as more of the way we look at nuclear weapons. We have them, we have the option, we just don't have to use them.

Another problem is a lot of people want war to be nice and tidy. More of a police action (freeze you're under arrest) instead of destroying the enemy. Remember the goal is to kill more of them than they kill of us.

So I say we should have the option. The military shouldn't have to consult with an attorney before they interigate the enemy, or for that matter shoot the enemy on the battlefield.

so scoob do you think torture is acceptable? i too think we are telling the world its ok to torture ours because we reserve the right to torture theirs. i know it isnt warm fuzzy...i just firmly believe the info obtained under torture is not believable. remember on the old board discussion of the guy that confessed to all they wanted plus a bunch of stuff it wasnt possible for him to have done?

oh fyi---obama introduced and passed legislation in illinois to require cameras on all interrogations---because it been proven to be false...back when he was doing nothing Smile
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Post  Scooby01_98 Sun Mar 09, 2008 11:57 pm

[quote="floridafun]so scoob do you think torture is acceptable? [/quote]

I think it depends on the circumstances and I don't want those peoples hands tied for when it would be warranted. Now when I believe it is warranted vs when you believe it would be warranted might be two different things.
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