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before passing judgement on AZ...
read this...
http://www.americanthinker.com/2010/04/the_arizona_uproar.html
I say "Bravo" to AZ for trying to address the problem of ILLEGAL immigration. When are people going to understand that there are people here illegally that need to be dealt with? I can only imagine what some of these homeowners are going thru. Sounds like they're desperate to fix the situation. Can't blame them for supporting the bill/law.
http://www.americanthinker.com/2010/04/the_arizona_uproar.html
Listening to the national uproar, you'd be forgiven for thinking that Arizona has marched into the civil rights apocalypse with its new state law cracking down on illegal immigrants.
Last Friday, Arizona Governor Jan Brewer signed SB1070, making it a crime to be in the state illegally and requiring cops, where "reasonable suspicion" exists, to determine a person's legal status.
Rev. Al Sharpton is promising to come to Arizona to march, the New York Times says that the state has gone "off the deep end," and the Nazi references are flying. Los Angeles Cardinal Roger Mahony likened SB1070 to "German Nazi and Russian Communist techniques."
Riding the noise for political advantage, President Obama is summoning his Justice Department to look into the matter, saying that the law would "undermine basic notions of fairness that we cherish as Americans."
But 70 percent of Arizona residents support the law, according to Rasmussen.
What's going on here? Do we know something the rest of the country doesn't?
Actually, we do. Context is everything, and it'd be nice if the national media provided some, rather than simply slamming Arizona as a redneck haven filled with nativists and bubbas with a hankering for racial profiling.
An estimated 500,000 illegal aliens live in Arizona, and many are decent folks, to be sure. But the border is still wide open, and many more are coming. Last year in Border Patrol's 262-mile-wide Tucson Sector, agents arrested 241,000 illegal aliens, a drop of more than 130,000 from 2007.
It sounds great until you understand that gotaways outnumber arrests by three to one.
Does the country realize this, or have the people bought Janet Napolitano's political fairy tale that border security has been "transformed" from where we were in 2007?
As Obama lectures Arizona, citizens here await his decision on an urgent request to send three thousand National Guard troops to the border. Senators John McCain and Jon Kyl recently asked for soldiers, as did Democratic Congresswoman Gabrielle Giffords, to bring some security to American citizens being hammered by cross-border smugglers and thugs.
Here's an important bit of context: This isn't your father's illegal immigration, when polite farm workers offered to do chores in return for some water and a sandwich as they walked north. Today, the drug cartels have taken over the people-smuggling business. They own the trails into the country and dominate the land, the same way urban gangs control neighborhoods
Any group wanting in has to deal with them, and the going rate is $2,500 per person. If you don't have the cash, the cartel coyote will offer to bring you in for free if you carry his dope. As Cochise County Sheriff Larry Dever testified to the Senate Homeland Security Committee last week, most of the groups coming up now have a gun behind them.
Along the Chiricahua Corridor smuggling route north and east of Douglas, Arizona, residents have been screaming for some time about break-ins, threats, intimidation, vandalism, and home invasions. But the feds did nothing to keep citizens safe. Instead, they talked amnesty. Then the inevitable happened.
On March 27, Cochise County rancher Rob Krentz was murdered on his land, presumably by a drug smuggler. The death occurred on a well-known drug trail, and trackers followed the killer's prints back into Mexico. He is still at large.
Now, I can't argue with those who say that SB1070 has some provisions that smack of desperation -- such as making it a crime to stop your car to pick up a day laborer or to enter a stopped car to get temporary work. That sounds impossible to enforce.
But critics also say that it will have no impact on besieged residents of southern Arizona, and I disagree. It could help.
We have a huge problem with crooks coming up from Mexico to our cities and towns, committing crimes, and bolting back south of the border. Not long ago, I wrote a story that backtracked the records of two of these border coyotes and found that between them, they'd been arrested and released by either law enforcement or the courts a total of 35 times.
One was let go after a traffic stop, and the other had worked construction in Phoenix for years. If this law had been in effect, the police might've been able to get them off the street before they were able to lead more groups into southern Arizona, break into homes, and frighten citizens.
Civil rights? What about the civil right of American citizens to drive up to their homes at night and have some reasonable assurance that no one is inside?
On March 31, four hundred people gathered outside the one-room Apache School to tell their elected reps what it's like to live in smuggler-occupied territory. The meeting was held there, in the cold, open air, in part because the nearest place to host a group that size inside was seventy round-trip miles away, and these folks didn't feel comfortable leaving their homes for that length of time.
They live by a rule of thumb: If you leave your house empty, it will be occupied by illegals or drug smugglers. We're not talking just about homes five miles from the international line. We're talking about homes up to sixty miles north of the border.
Racial profiling doesn't matter much when you're in a fight to preserve your way of life and keep your family and property safe. Let me give you a different perspective on racial profiling. Now, when Border Patrol chases down and arrests illegals south of I-10, everybody says, "Atta boy. Good police work."
But if these crossers put a toe north of I-10, they're home free. Except for Maricopa County Sheriff Joe Arpaio, nobody is looking for them, and if you do, it's racial profiling.
The farther you get from the line, the more people want to make this problem about race. It's the ground the left wants to fight on because it's so effective. Political correctness shuts people up and keeps the border open.
Arizona has had enough and seen enough. This bill, admittedly flawed, motivated in part by anger and frustration, is an effort to step in and do something about a serious national problem on our southern border that grows more dangerous all the time.
But the national media largely ignore it because it offers up the wrong victims and the wrong politics. They don't send reporters out to Arizona get the story, to walk the smuggling trails, to sit with beleaguered Americans at their kitchen tables and understand the torment their lives have become.
Instead, they adopt the preening pose of the self-righteous, screaming from a safe distance about the bubbas. All 70 percent of them.
It's more fun than context.
I say "Bravo" to AZ for trying to address the problem of ILLEGAL immigration. When are people going to understand that there are people here illegally that need to be dealt with? I can only imagine what some of these homeowners are going thru. Sounds like they're desperate to fix the situation. Can't blame them for supporting the bill/law.
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Cincy Fan 44 wrote:I say "Bravo" to AZ for trying to address the problem of ILLEGAL immigration. When are people going to understand that there are people here illegally that need to be dealt with? I can only imagine what some of these homeowners are going thru. Sounds like they're desperate to fix the situation. Can't blame them for supporting the bill/law.
This had to be the best quote from yesterday's news:
MSNBC Flash: "Law Makes It A Crime To Be Illegal Immigrant"
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""Rev. Al Sharpton is promising to come to Arizona to march, the New York Times says that the state has gone "off the deep end," and the Nazi references are flying. Los Angeles Cardinal Roger Mahony likened SB1070 to "German Nazi and Russian Communist techniques." ""
and we know it simply isnt acceptable for anyone other than white people to make these comparisons to political issues they have passionate opinions about....
and we know it simply isnt acceptable for anyone other than white people to make these comparisons to political issues they have passionate opinions about....
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After this bill was signed; seven other states are now looking into copying the AZ law. One of them being Ohio.
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God bless the state of Ohio!
I also heard on the radio this morning that a group is protesting the AZ Diamondbacks baseball team as they're playing in Chicago. Apparently their owner is a republican who has contributed to republican candidates in the past (but he says he doesn't support this law). Plus they're trying to get MLB to take away the All-Star game from Phoenix in 2011.
I also heard on the radio this morning that a group is protesting the AZ Diamondbacks baseball team as they're playing in Chicago. Apparently their owner is a republican who has contributed to republican candidates in the past (but he says he doesn't support this law). Plus they're trying to get MLB to take away the All-Star game from Phoenix in 2011.
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Actually most are illeagal aliens. "Immigrant" implies they have plans to stay here permanently.
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i have never lived in an area where this problem was anywhere near as huge as it is in the border states, so it isnt an issue i have personal experience with. i get that the influx is allowing alot of undesireables--criminals of varying degrees, drug dealers/gangs, kidnappers etc--to settle in our cities and that the situation has escalated beyond control. the problem i am having is that i cant agree with the folks like lou dobbs who think we should round up all gazillion of the illegals and ship 'em back to where they came from. it would be impossible and just isnt what america has always presented herself to be. the link provided in thread start is an extremely right wing site who proudly has articles such as..•Planned Parenthood, a Social Disease, •Obama's Greatest Deficit Is Wisdom, •Obama Is Enabling Nuclear Breakout, •Earth Day: An Assault on Man...sorry but hard for me to take their opinions seriously, it is such a foxy read.
a big problem is that the police know they will be the ones getting sued by people on the street, mexican and likely whites..and they have said they will ask for docs of blond blue eyed folks equally in hopes of averting lawsuits against themselves and their departments. arizona already has some good state laws..doesnt allow for eligibility of illegals for welfare etc, employers are required to check on ss database to make sure employees are really legal....somehow i think they arent firmly uniformly using the existing laws to impact the problem. wonder if if cindy mccains landscaper and maid are legal? the lawsuits AGAINST the potentially racial profiling law have already been started.
http://www.kansascity.com/2010/04/29/1913017/opponents-of-arizonas-new-immigration.html
and gotta wonder why the lord and master of the repub party, ronnie reagan, did what HE did on the issue??? he granted partial amnesty and he is the party saint...but obama and dems talk partial amnesty and are satins spawn? eew soo teabaggy.
from wiki--
The Immigration Reform and Control Act (IRCA), also Simpson-Mazzoli Act (Pub.L. 99-603, 100 Stat. 3359, signed by President Ronald Reagan on November 6, 1986) is an Act of Congress which reformed United States immigration law. The Act made it illegal to knowingly hire or recruit illegal immigrants (immigrants who do not possess lawful work authorization), required employers to attest to their employees' immigration status, and granted amnesty to certain illegal immigrants who entered the United States before January 1, 1982 and had resided there continuously. The Act also granted a path towards legalization to certain agricultural seasonal workers and immigrants who had been continuously and illegally present in the United States since January 1, 1982
a big problem is that the police know they will be the ones getting sued by people on the street, mexican and likely whites..and they have said they will ask for docs of blond blue eyed folks equally in hopes of averting lawsuits against themselves and their departments. arizona already has some good state laws..doesnt allow for eligibility of illegals for welfare etc, employers are required to check on ss database to make sure employees are really legal....somehow i think they arent firmly uniformly using the existing laws to impact the problem. wonder if if cindy mccains landscaper and maid are legal? the lawsuits AGAINST the potentially racial profiling law have already been started.
http://www.kansascity.com/2010/04/29/1913017/opponents-of-arizonas-new-immigration.html
and gotta wonder why the lord and master of the repub party, ronnie reagan, did what HE did on the issue??? he granted partial amnesty and he is the party saint...but obama and dems talk partial amnesty and are satins spawn? eew soo teabaggy.
from wiki--
The Immigration Reform and Control Act (IRCA), also Simpson-Mazzoli Act (Pub.L. 99-603, 100 Stat. 3359, signed by President Ronald Reagan on November 6, 1986) is an Act of Congress which reformed United States immigration law. The Act made it illegal to knowingly hire or recruit illegal immigrants (immigrants who do not possess lawful work authorization), required employers to attest to their employees' immigration status, and granted amnesty to certain illegal immigrants who entered the United States before January 1, 1982 and had resided there continuously. The Act also granted a path towards legalization to certain agricultural seasonal workers and immigrants who had been continuously and illegally present in the United States since January 1, 1982
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good post... Earth Day: An Assault on Man.
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Yeap, Ronnie screwed up signing that law. All it did was set the U.S. up for amnesty 2.
Amazing how a gazillion illegals can get to the U.S. with no gov't help; but we can't figure out a way to get them back to there native country.
Amazing how a gazillion illegals can get to the U.S. with no gov't help; but we can't figure out a way to get them back to there native country.
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I'm filing suit because I'm going to start cruisin' the hood in the Volvo and I could be potentially racial profiled.
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heh... Obama recommends any one suspected of being a white conservative be stopped and have their voter registrations revoked.
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never had a volvo but have coveted for years
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Now thats funny...
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i am kinda hoping all that show up for that there protest rally are actually legal..and are legally carrying their ak47 and some huge hitleresque posters of the gov... could be interesting, you can take guns into bars in arizona.
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Pez wrote:Now thats funny...
Might as well be proactive!
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arizona...sigh. dont they ever have french or german or spanish foriegn exchange students in that state?
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010/04/30/arizona-legislature-passes-banning-ethnic-studies-programs/
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010/04/30/arizona-legislature-passes-banning-ethnic-studies-programs/
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i know the teabaggers are all about revolt. they usually sound like a buncha revolting wannabe bullies who wanna revolt the civil rights laws that suppress them from being allowed to have their own way just cause they lost..not only the civil war but the 2008 election. do over!! do over!! they get so mad when other groups want a revolution..copycats!
i get accused of using the looniest teabagger vids, trying to make them look crazier than some maybe are, when i post interviews with them at their unamerican unpatriotic hater ralleys..then you pick this...of course he is crazy mad..they dont want teachers with accents in az schools now. duh..
ltrt he is hating capitalism and imperialism..dont the teabaggers hate the socialism and big gov (ss, medicare, firefighters, cops, food stamps, public schools and libraries and parks) that they are unwilling to give up... the socialistic programs they benefit from (leave my medicare alone!!!) while shouting socialism is leading us to communism? makes more sense and looks less militant that way does it?
i get accused of using the looniest teabagger vids, trying to make them look crazier than some maybe are, when i post interviews with them at their unamerican unpatriotic hater ralleys..then you pick this...of course he is crazy mad..they dont want teachers with accents in az schools now. duh..
ltrt he is hating capitalism and imperialism..dont the teabaggers hate the socialism and big gov (ss, medicare, firefighters, cops, food stamps, public schools and libraries and parks) that they are unwilling to give up... the socialistic programs they benefit from (leave my medicare alone!!!) while shouting socialism is leading us to communism? makes more sense and looks less militant that way does it?
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so the new az law isnt the law yet? thought i saw on tv just as i was going to bed last nite..
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Looks like the Dems from Arizona are hoping that Obama doesn't challenge the law. Looks like they just want him to secure the border.
http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/house-races/104885-arizona-dems-urge-obama-not-to-sue-over-border-law
http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/house-races/104885-arizona-dems-urge-obama-not-to-sue-over-border-law
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How on earth did the next speaker keep from breaking out in laughter when he said Arizona does in fact border the country of Mexico???
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wisconsin vid no longer available...so spell it out please
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