Police: Man shot churchgoers over liberal views
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Police: Man shot churchgoers over liberal views
Police: Man shot churchgoers over liberal views
By DUNCAN MANSFIELD, Associated Press Writer1 hour, 12 minutes ago
Knoxville's police chief says the man accused of a shooting that killed two people at a Tennessee church targeted the congregation because of its liberal social stance.
Chief Sterling Owen IV said Monday that police found a letter in Jim D. Adkisson's car. Owen said Adkisson was apparently frustrated over being out of work and had a "stated hatred of the liberal movement."
Adkisson is charged with first-degree murder. Police say a gunman entered the Tennessee Valley Unitarian Universalist Church during a children's performance Sunday. No children were hurt.
The church is known for advocating women's and gay rights and founding an American Civil Liberties Union chapter.
lulz.
Figures.
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Could one see Doe going on a rampage like this? I bet Doe was on her knees all weekend praying that the wrath of God would destroy Headwaters Park this weekend. lol By the way, the Obama campaign registered over 60 voters at the Pride Fest. That is 60 more Allen County voters for Obama than we had previously!
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For Bman there should be another festival, call it ObamaFest.
Everyday is ObamaFest for Bman..
Haha, I was thinking someone would do a "DoePost" in this thread.
Congrats Bman, you covered it all except you didn't McDisCain. Slowing down in your old age, huh?
I read this bit of news on Sunday I think. A shame stuff like this happens.
Everyday is ObamaFest for Bman..
Haha, I was thinking someone would do a "DoePost" in this thread.
Congrats Bman, you covered it all except you didn't McDisCain. Slowing down in your old age, huh?
I read this bit of news on Sunday I think. A shame stuff like this happens.
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Canuck wrote:For Bman there should be another festival, call it ObamaFest.
Everyday is ObamaFest for Bman..
Haha, I was thinking someone would do a "DoePost" in this thread.
Congrats Bman, you covered it all except you didn't McDisCain. Slowing down in your old age, huh?
I read this bit of news on Sunday I think. A shame stuff like this happens.
I consider radical Christians as much as a threat as radical muslims. Too bad we aren't fighting these terrorists here like we should be.
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Since this has of course become political, here is a quote from a neighbor of the guy:
Does this sound like a "radical Christian"?
Karen Massey, who lived two houses from Adkisson's home, told the Knoxville News Sentinel of a lengthy conversation she had with Adkisson a couple years ago after she told him her daughter had just graduated from Johnson Bible College. She said she ended up having to explain to him that she was a Christian.
"He almost turned angry," she told the newspaper. "He seemed to get angry at that. He said that everything in the Bible contradicts itself if you read it."
Does this sound like a "radical Christian"?
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I don't think he was even a member of that church, if any, was he? Anybody been able to come up with that? Now, I have to get back to cleaning all of my guns since I'm a radical christian.
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Cincy Fan 44 wrote:I don't think he was even a member of that church, if any, was he? Anybody been able to come up with that? Now, I have to get back to cleaning all of my guns since I'm a radical christian.
UMMM he was NOT a member of the church and the reason the Sheriff said he went in guns blazing because of their liberal views.
You don't have to clean your guns, just "cling" to them ... ok?
And Mark, I do not know if Jugo was insinuating this guy was a radical christian or if he was just making a blanket statement about radical christians being as bad in his mind as radical muslims. Just my opinion of that statement.
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Markwes wrote:Since this has of course become political, here is a quote from a neighbor of the guy:Karen Massey, who lived two houses from Adkisson's home, told the Knoxville News Sentinel of a lengthy conversation she had with Adkisson a couple years ago after she told him her daughter had just graduated from Johnson Bible College. She said she ended up having to explain to him that she was a Christian.
"He almost turned angry," she told the newspaper. "He seemed to get angry at that. He said that everything in the Bible contradicts itself if you read it."
Does this sound like a "radical Christian"?
$20 says he was undiagnosed bi-polar manic depressive. maybe we'll never know...
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True, it takes 2 hands to clean them, and that would prevent you from clinging to your Bible with the other hand.Bman wrote:You don't have to clean your guns, just "cling" to them ... ok?Cincy Fan 44 wrote:I don't think he was even a member of that church, if any, was he? Anybody been able to come up with that? Now, I have to get back to cleaning all of my guns since I'm a radical christian.
Seriously though, I'm glad it wasn't worse than it was, and I'm not belittling the fact that 2 are dead and others injured. But how much time did this guy put into planning this? I mean he goes into a church apparently with a plan to take out as many as possible, and ends up with.... 2?
Whoops, failed on both accounts, because attendees who saw what was happening stepped in and tackled him right away. Not "Let's all sit here and get shot" like what happened in Virginia Tech and other places."He indicated also in that letter that he expected to be in there shooting people until the police arrived and he fully expected to be killed by the responding police," he said.
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I heard a report on NPR that said police recovered 70+ shells of ammo... so he was planning on reloading.
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This is another sad story. It should not have happened. The shooter was way out of line and should pay the price, no matter what their beliefs are. By the way this organization does not believe in the whole bible, including the power of Christ's blood shed for us.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unitarian_Universalism
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unitarian_Universalism
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moondrop wrote:This is another sad story. It should not have happened. The shooter was way out of line and should pay the price, no matter what their beliefs are. By the way this organization does not believe in the whole bible, including the power of Christ's blood shed for us.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unitarianism
*Bzzzzzz*
Incorrect, a subtle difference. You have to pay attention to specifics sometimes. The church that was attacked was a Unitarian Universalist church, not merely a Unitarian church.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unitarian_Universalism
Read a little and you'll see that they encourage your spiritual walk to believe what you think is right in your search for a deeper relationship with God... you might find yourself kneeling and reciting liturgy, clutching your crucifix, annointing it with blessed oil next to a person stabbing themself in the foot with a sword while performing a Wiccan good luck rite.
You shall know the truth, and the truth will set you free!
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Thanks Meta, I realized that and was fixing my post when you were writing yours.
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moondrop wrote:Thanks Meta, I realized that and was fixing my post when you were writing yours.
But you still left in the part about not believing in the power of The Blood...
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Unitarian Universalists are either loved or hated. There's enough of a lack of structure that people who need to be controlled find nothing of substance. There's enough independence that the church member (hopefully) takes ownership of personal responsibility to a level past (no offense intended) mere confession and penance into actual change... deep down in the (dare I say it) soul.
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Regardless... the issue is one guy didn't think the other guys were worshiping right so he shot them.. again.. a great example of Christian compassion. And yes.. I'm referring to the fact that anything when taken to the extreme is dangerous.
Why can't we go back to the days where you worried about your house, not your neighbors? Whatever they did was their business, not yours.
Why can't we go back to the days where you worried about your house, not your neighbors? Whatever they did was their business, not yours.
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cardinal5150 wrote:Regardless... the issue is one guy didn't think the other guys were worshiping right so he shot them.. again.. a great example of Christian compassion. And yes.. I'm referring to the fact that anything when taken to the extreme is dangerous.
Why can't we go back to the days where you worried about your house, not your neighbors? Whatever they did was their business, not yours.
Hooray! Yes! Totally agree "but as for me and my house..." sorta thinking reminds me of one of my favorite phrases for Biblical Christianity NOT being fanatical... stolen from Prego.
It's like Prego... "It's in there" (referring to "but as for me and my house")
Some trivia... Clara Peller of "where's the beef?" fame also popularized the "It's in there!" slogan. "Prego" is Italian for "I pray", and is usually used in response to "grazie" ("thanks"), where in English one would say "You're welcome."
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I think it would be safe to say that no matter what religion you follow, there will always be people around that will love it or hate it.
It comes down to personal responsibility and respect for fellow human beings.
Oh and Prego sucks...
It comes down to personal responsibility and respect for fellow human beings.
Oh and Prego sucks...
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cardinal5150 wrote:Regardless... the issue is one guy didn't think the other guys were worshiping right so he shot them.. again.. a great example of Christian compassion. And yes.. I'm referring to the fact that anything when taken to the extreme is dangerous.
Why can't we go back to the days where you worried about your house, not your neighbors? Whatever they did was their business, not yours.
Because it seems a lot of radical christians seem to think there is a "war" going on... we should really start treating them the same way we treat muslims. Apparently in a "time of war" they feel it is ok to be fuck tards.
Unitarian Universalist is about the only church I would ever consider stepping a foot into unless I really had to (ie, wedding, funeral).
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well at least they got off their arse's this time and took the guy down!
Unlike some school shootings I've heard about
Religion has cause more deaths and wars then money or any other subject
Unlike some school shootings I've heard about
Religion has cause more deaths and wars then money or any other subject
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I agree with your first statement, but again, where does it say anywhere that this guy was associated with religion? To me he sounded like an athiest. Are you saying the members of this church were somehow responsible??Mort wrote:well at least they got off their arse's this time and took the guy down!
Unlike some school shootings I've heard about
Religion has cause more deaths and wars then money or any other subject
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Jugomugo wrote:Because it seems a lot of radical christians seem to think there is a "war" going on... we should really start treating them the same way we treat muslims. Apparently in a "time of war" they feel it is ok to be fuck tards.
I agree... I love how they don't see the similarities between themselves and the radical muslims.... they believe in God, so they can't possibly be the same.... we need a zombie smiley face or something...
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Markwes wrote:I agree with your first statement, but again, where does it say anywhere that this guy was associated with religion? To me he sounded like an athiest. Are you saying the members of this church were somehow responsible??Mort wrote:well at least they got off their arse's this time and took the guy down!
Unlike some school shootings I've heard about
Religion has cause more deaths and wars then money or any other subject
No Markwes. Mort's comment was similar to his signature. People are willing to kill and die for their tiny little speck of a personal perspective of the most infinite being in the universe.
Butt Nuggets...
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So, Meta, the guy was a radical. Why is it we feel the need to use this example to reinforce stereotypes? I mention that there is nothing I have heard to suggest that the guy was a radical Christian and all I get is "he is just saying in general" types of responses. I could point to this story and say white people are responsible for more deaths than any other group. Would that be fair?meta4 wrote:Markwes wrote:I agree with your first statement, but again, where does it say anywhere that this guy was associated with religion? To me he sounded like an athiest. Are you saying the members of this church were somehow responsible??Mort wrote:well at least they got off their arse's this time and took the guy down!
Unlike some school shootings I've heard about
Religion has cause more deaths and wars then money or any other subject
No Markwes. Mort's comment was similar to his signature. People are willing to kill and die for their tiny little speck of a personal perspective of the most infinite being in the universe.
Butt Nuggets...
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