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Post  Scooby01_98 on Fri Feb 18, 2011 6:38 pm

So what does everyone think of the Wisconsin Dems leaving the state. Running away from the tough decisions again. Notice I said again same thing they did in Texas a few years back.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20110218/ap_on_re_us/us_wisconsin_budget_unions

Way to show real leadership there dems.
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Post  Scooby01_98 on Fri Feb 18, 2011 6:51 pm

Then you have the Wisconsin teachers shirking there jobs. Way to care about the students. Every teacher that called in sick to do there protest need to have there contract not renewed. I guess we can forgo those school breakfasts and didn't they want to start a dinner program also at schools. Well obviously they are not needed since the teachers don't need to show up on a work day so obviously these people don't really care if they have a proper nutritional meal that they clamor they need. So there you go Gov. Walker more things you can cut from the budget the teachers just showed those programs are not needed also.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/02/15/us-wisconsin-protests-idUSTRE71E7BY20110215

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/02/17/us/17wisconsin.html
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Post  Scooby01_98 on Fri Feb 18, 2011 10:04 pm

Glad to see the civility of the Dems on this protest. A couple of targets on Walkers head.....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GEq-wj4_W7o&feature=related


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Post  LTRT on Fri Feb 18, 2011 11:08 pm

No surprise to see BHO pick a side. Rolling Eyes

OBAMA BACKS UNION UPROAR

And then there's the dufus Peloski runnin her pie hole again
Pelosi backs Wisconsin protesters
Pelosi told reporters Friday that the protests are “an extraordinary show of democracy in action.”
Love this comment:

Democracy in action? WRONG! The State Senate Democrats are basically saying "F-ck You" to the majority of WE THE PEOPLE in Wisconsin.
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Post  Cincy Fan 44 on Sat Feb 19, 2011 12:06 am

This whole thing burns me up. The way I've heard it, the new governor is trying to balance the budget (as per the state constitution), and he's getting pushback. From what Pat Miller said on WOWO, it would average out to an increase of $47 per month per teacher if the governor made his cuts. Seeing as the avg salary and benefits per teacher is north of $80K, that's not bad. Better than the alternative of having to lay off (fire?) a whole bunch of teachers and closing schools in order to balance the budget.

Like I said, I haven't had time to fact-check the numbers though.

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Post  LTRT on Sat Feb 19, 2011 12:49 am

Scooby01_98 wrote:Glad to see the civility of the Dems on this protest. A couple of targets on Walkers head.....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GEq-wj4_W7o&feature=related
Can you guess the party affliliation of these from Ohio?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NtB0gUuLBf0&feature=player_embedded
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Post  Pez on Mon Feb 21, 2011 4:41 pm

Fer crying out loud... this is a stunt that takes place all the time somewhere in the country:

http://thinkprogress.org/2008/02/14/republican-walkout/

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/Republican-lawmakers-walk-out-apf-3705008829.html?x=0

http://energybusinessdaily.com/energy-plans/gop-members-walk-out-on-oil-and-gas-talk/

http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com/2008/02/house_gop_stages_walkout_durin.php

What drives me crazy is that there are legitimate arguments on both sides of the education and union debate going on in Wisconsin that applies to hoosiers in Indiana, and the comment isnt about any of that, it's about attacking democrats... it took me five minutes to come up with four republican examples of the same sort of shenanigns.

So... LTRT, a trivia question for you: The education reforms that are causing such an uproar in wisconsin were said to be inspired by what other midwestern governor?

Also, Do you see any parallels between limiting collective bargaining for teachers in Wisconsin and the "Right to work" bills that are being voted on in the statehouse today?

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Post  LTRT on Mon Feb 21, 2011 9:27 pm

Pez wrote:Fer crying out loud... this is a stunt that takes place all the time somewhere in the country:

http://thinkprogress.org/2008/02/14/republican-walkout/
http://finance.yahoo.com/news/Republican-lawmakers-walk-out-apf-3705008829.html?x=0
http://energybusinessdaily.com/energy-plans/gop-members-walk-out-on-oil-and-gas-talk/
http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com/2008/02/house_gop_stages_walkout_durin.php

What drives me crazy is that there are legitimate arguments on both sides of the education and union debate going on in Wisconsin that applies to hoosiers in Indiana, and the comment isnt about any of that, it's about attacking democrats... it took me five minutes to come up with four republican examples of the same sort of shenanigns.

So... LTRT, a trivia question for you: The education reforms that are causing such an uproar in wisconsin were said to be inspired by what other midwestern governor?

Also, Do you see any parallels between limiting collective bargaining for teachers in Wisconsin and the "Right to work" bills that are being voted on in the statehouse today?

It'd be nice if your examples of GOP walkouts were directly related to the issue in WI. I don't believe anyone is arguing the fact that this kinda of 'shenanigns' happen on both sides of the aisle.

These protests show the true colors of the teacher's unions. Funny how union members and their leaders always say that they're always for the little guy, except for when it comes to concessions to their own wallets. The WI gov wants to balance the state's budget, where would you suggest he get the money from? As for edu reforms, merit pay is a must and tenure needs to be a thing of the past. If you honestly believe all those who receive tenure do everything possble to advance a child's education and not lookout for their own interests, well then, I guess that's another fish to fry.

And let me go on record to say that I was a UAW member for 14 yrs at Tokheim. I remember one specific night during our lunch break when the steward came around asking us to work for Jill Long's campaign and a few other dem candidates. I emphatically told my steward that I didn't vote dem, needless to say he looked at me like I was crazy and I told him to never approach me again with any propaganda outside of my job and employer. After that episode, it clearly showed me that unions were not for the worker but to advance their liberal agenda. Right-to-work...BRING IT ON!
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Post  Scooby01_98 on Tue Feb 22, 2011 2:08 am

Pez wrote:Fer crying out loud... this is a stunt that takes place all the time somewhere in the country:

http://thinkprogress.org/2008/02/14/republican-walkout/

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/Republican-lawmakers-walk-out-apf-3705008829.html?x=0

http://energybusinessdaily.com/energy-plans/gop-members-walk-out-on-oil-and-gas-talk/

http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com/2008/02/house_gop_stages_walkout_durin.php

What drives me crazy is that there are legitimate arguments on both sides of the education and union debate going on in Wisconsin that applies to hoosiers in Indiana, and the comment isnt about any of that, it's about attacking democrats... it took me five minutes to come up with four republican examples of the same sort of shenanigns.

So... LTRT, a trivia question for you: The education reforms that are causing such an uproar in wisconsin were said to be inspired by what other midwestern governor?

Also, Do you see any parallels between limiting collective bargaining for teachers in Wisconsin and the "Right to work" bills that are being voted on in the statehouse today?

Dude there is a difference walking out of a committee meeting, versus walking out and fleeing the state, basically stopping all legislative action. Did those GOP walkouts hold up all legislation? I don't think so.

Just proves the Dems have no leadership ability in Wisconsin or the white house when it comes to a fiscal agenda.

And yep and bring on the right to work bill here and pass it.

And I am a current union member.
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Post  Pez on Tue Feb 22, 2011 9:18 am

LTRT wrote:It'd be nice if your examples of GOP walkouts were directly related to the issue in WI. I don't believe anyone is arguing the fact that this kinda of 'shenanigns' happen on both sides of the aisle.

These protests show the true colors of the teacher's unions. Funny how union members and their leaders always say that they're always for the little guy, except for when it comes to concessions to their own wallets. The WI gov wants to balance the state's budget, where would you suggest he get the money from? As for edu reforms, merit pay is a must and tenure needs to be a thing of the past. If you honestly believe all those who receive tenure do everything possble to advance a child's education and not lookout for their own interests, well then, I guess that's another fish to fry.

And let me go on record to say that I was a UAW member for 14 yrs at Tokheim. I remember one specific night during our lunch break when the steward came around asking us to work for Jill Long's campaign and a few other dem candidates. I emphatically told my steward that I didn't vote dem, needless to say he looked at me like I was crazy and I told him to never approach me again with any propaganda outside of my job and employer. After that episode, it clearly showed me that unions were not for the worker but to advance their liberal agenda. Right-to-work...BRING IT ON!

k... no one is saying that, but the title of this thread is "just like the dems to runaway." So I figured if you were generalizing democrats in that way it was fair for me to generalize repoublicans in the same way. It's a chickenshit move any way you slice it... much like a filibuster.

I think your statement about merit pay and tenure is right on. The issue is how do you measure merit? Test scores? Then how do you measure a literature teacher, an art teacher, a gym teacher? Its my opinion that teachers should be measured by what they know (their own continuing ed etc), and by test scores, throwing out the lows and highs.

I think we've talked about me not being a fan of Unions and that is still the case. I am, however a fan of fairness.

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Post  Scooby01_98 on Tue Feb 22, 2011 10:42 am

Pez wrote:
I think your statement about merit pay and tenure is right on. The issue is how do you measure merit? Test scores? Then how do you measure a literature teacher, an art teacher, a gym teacher? Its my opinion that teachers should be measured by what they know (their own continuing ed etc), and by test scores, throwing out the lows and highs.

I am not a fan of test scores, a lot of that will have to do with the parents involvement and most times there isn't any for the students that are lagging behind. I am also not a fan of what they know i.e. education they possess. I have found the more degrees the more lack of common sense they seem to have. The best teachers probably don't have the highest degrees in there background.

I remember when I was in school the assistant principal and principal would sometimes set in the back of the classroom and evaluate the teacher. Does this not happen anymore?
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Post  Pez on Tue Feb 22, 2011 11:21 am

Good question. I dont know the answer. I seem to remember that there were other evaluations going on also when I was in school. It's still difficult to quantify. If you cant fairly measure teachers' success then a lot of this stuff is out the window...

Here's where I get a bit unconventional... as soon as you can measure teacher's ability, we should double their salaries. A 15 year teacher is lucky to make $40k. If that number is $80k, the teaching profession becomes considerably more lucrative and attractive... if you can fire failing teachers because they arent measureing up, and the teaching profession is lucrative enough to fill those slots with bright young talent eager to be properly compensated, well... that seems like the problem solves itself.

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Post  LTRT on Tue Feb 22, 2011 5:15 pm

Now Indy Dems Run Away Rolling Eyes
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Post  Pez on Tue Feb 22, 2011 5:34 pm

Mitch is a smart mofo.

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Post  Scooby01_98 on Tue Feb 22, 2011 5:57 pm

New slogan for Illinois: The refugee state.

Too bad Illinois doesn't have a Republican governor. They would have to flee all the way to New York.

At least the hotels and restaurants in Illinois will be having a good winter. Hope they are staying in the unionized hotels.
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Post  Pez on Tue Feb 22, 2011 6:30 pm

Scooby01_98 wrote:New slogan for Illinois: The refugee state.

Too bad Illinois doesn't have a Republican governor. They would have to flee all the way to New York.

At least the hotels and restaurants in Illinois will be having a good winter. Hope they are staying in the unionized hotels.

I'm sure they are buying souvenirs on their per diems with the money left over from dining on value meals and staying in motel 6.

#2 combo please, leave the light on for me.

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Post  Scooby01_98 on Tue Feb 22, 2011 9:33 pm

Pez wrote:
Scooby01_98 wrote:New slogan for Illinois: The refugee state.

Too bad Illinois doesn't have a Republican governor. They would have to flee all the way to New York.

At least the hotels and restaurants in Illinois will be having a good winter. Hope they are staying in the unionized hotels.

I'm sure they are buying souvenirs on their per diems with the money left over from dining on value meals and staying in motel 6.

#2 combo please, leave the light on for me.

Why would they get per diem, they are not on government business they are shirking their government business.
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Post  Pez on Wed Feb 23, 2011 10:28 am

Scooby01_98 wrote:Why would they get per diem, they are not on government business they are shirking their government business.

Dunno... I was poking fun at Mark Souder (before he was disgraced, the second time I mean).

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Post  Scooby01_98 on Thu Feb 24, 2011 10:26 am

Pez wrote:
Scooby01_98 wrote:Why would they get per diem, they are not on government business they are shirking their government business.

Dunno... I was poking fun at Mark Souder (before he was disgraced, the second time I mean).

I am quite sure they will try to turn in for it. They had better be denied. Don't want to pay someone for not doing there job.

Amazing to me is now it isn't okay that elections have consequences like the dems kept telling the Republicans.
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Post  Pez on Thu Feb 24, 2011 10:53 am

I'm prety sure they are going to get paid and will get their per diems as well.

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Post  Scooby01_98 on Thu Mar 10, 2011 7:20 pm

Cool move by the Republicans in Wisconsin; remove the funding items from the bill then pass it.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20110310/ap_on_re_us/us_wisconsin_budget_unions

As far as our own POS dems here that fled the state. What are they on the 15th day or something? Anyway if you move to the state of Illinois (lets face it that is where they are living) at what time do they become residents of Illinois? They are not there for work, there work is in Indianapolis. Basically when do we start having special elections since they no longer live in their district!!!
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Post  Pez on Thu Mar 10, 2011 11:23 pm

Scooby01_98 wrote:Cool move by the Republicans in Wisconsin; remove the funding items from the bill then pass it.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20110310/ap_on_re_us/us_wisconsin_budget_unions

As far as our own POS dems here that fled the state. What are they on the 15th day or something? Anyway if you move to the state of Illinois (lets face it that is where they are living) at what time do they become residents of Illinois? They are not there for work, there work is in Indianapolis. Basically when do we start having special elections since they no longer live in their district!!!

I'm over it too... I may camp out in Illinois on election day.

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Post  Scooby01_98 on Tue Mar 22, 2011 6:45 am

Day 30 has arrived for the cowards now living in Illinois. I know when I worked for the state of Indiana, they consider day 30 you were a legal resident of Indiana, I can only think being gone 30 days makes you a non resident of Indiana. Time for some special elections!!!
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Post  Markwes on Tue Mar 22, 2011 8:28 am

I say anyone who "supports" these bozos should try it with their own job and see how far they get.

Are the unions still picketing the uninhabited State House or did they give up on them?
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