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Post  LTRT Wed Mar 25, 2009 9:41 am

FACT CHECK: Obama having it both ways on economy?
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/fact_check_obama
By CALVIN WOODWARD, Associated Press Writer Calvin Woodward, Associated Press Writer – Wed Mar 25, 3:07 am ET
WASHINGTON – President Barack Obama's plea Tuesday for patience in the economic turmoil fits with the view of most economists that a turnaround will take some time. It doesn't fit quite so neatly with his bullish budget.

The president's spending plans and deficit projections rest on the assumption that the economy will post solid growth next year after a mild, further decline this year. Many economists think that's too rosy.

Obama was more cautious than that in his prime-time news conference — possibly to the point of having it both ways.

A look at some of his statements and how they square with the facts:
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THE CLAIM: "We will recover from this recession. But it will take time, it will take patience, and it will take an understanding that when we all work together, when each of us looks beyond our own short-term interests to the wider set of obligations we have to each other, that's when we succeed."

THE FACTS: No one really knows when the recession will end. But Obama's own budget forecasts the recession will continue through this year but with a relatively shallow 1.2 percent decline in the gross domestic product.

Then, the budget predicts solid 3.2 percent growth for 2010, followed by three years of more than 4 percent growth each year.

Christina Romer, head of the White House Council of Economic Advisers, said this week she was "incredibly confident" the U.S. economy will recover within a year.

Congressional Republicans and some Democratic budget hawks have suggested the Obama budget projections are unduly optimistic to make the math to pay for the president's programs work. The higher the GDP growth, the more tax revenues come in.

Meanwhile, the nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office last week predicted that the Obama budget would produce deficits averaging nearly $1 trillion over the next decade.
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OBAMA: "In this budget, we have made the tough choices necessary to cut our deficit in half by the end of my first term even under the most pessimistic estimates."

THE FACTS: Not all credible estimates foresee a deficit halved in that time.

Obama's budget forecast a deficit of $530 billion by the end of 2013. That would cut by half the deficit he inherited at the start of his term. To succeed, Obama is counting on a recovered economy, a tax boost for the rich and success in easing foreign entanglements. But his assertion that he can accomplish that "even under the most pessimistic estimates" flies in the face of an answer he gave moments later.

The Congressional Budget Office forecasts that Obama's spending plan would leave a deficit of $672 billion by the end of 2013. Explaining the differences between his projections and CBO's, Obama said his administration projects a higher growth rate.
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THE CLAIM: "Our assumptions are perfectly consistent with what blue-chip forecasters out there are saying."

THE FACTS: The Obama administration's economic growth projections are more optimistic over the next five years than those of the Blue Chip Consensus, a monthly average of 50 economic forecasts from the private sector.

The Blue Chip projection is for a deeper contraction this year than is foreseen by the administration — 1.9 percent versus 1.2 percent. Then it foresees growth of only 2.1 percent next year, instead of 3.2 percent, and less than 3 percent in each of the next three years, when the administration's forecasts are for 4 percent or better.

After 2015, the blue chip forecast is a little brighter than the administration's.
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THE CLAIM: Obama repeated his assertion that his housing bailout will help "stabilize the housing market and help responsible homeowners stay in their homes."

THE FACTS: Even officials in his administration, many supporters of the plan in Congress and the Federal Reserve chairman have said some of the bailout money is bound to go to those who acted irresponsibly.

Fed Chairman Ben Bernanke has said it's important for the nation to go ahead with the plan even though it means assistance will go to some who should have known better than to get in over their heads.

Sheila Bair, head of the Federal Deposit Insurance Corp., made a similar point when she said it's "simply impractical" to examine every delinquent loan and weed out those taken by people who overstated their income or assets to get a mortgage they couldn't afford.
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THE CLAIM: Responding to Republican critics in Congress who say his proposed budget carries an irresponsible deficit, Obama said, "I suspect that some of those Republican critics have a short memory, because, as I recall, I'm inheriting a $1.3 trillion deficit, annual deficit, from them."

FACT: Obama inherited a whopper of a deficit, much of it due to policies and spending led by Republican President George W. Bush. But the Congress, which authorizes spending and is not blameless in driving up deficits, was controlled by Democrats in the last two years of Bush's presidency.
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Associated Press writers Tom Raum and Jim Kuhnhenn contributed to this report.

Typical politician community organizer talkin' out of both sides of his mouth.
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Post  Scooby01_98 Wed Mar 25, 2009 10:22 am

I don't see us hitting a 4% GDP anytime soon. I don't see anything equivalent to the tech boom of the 90's where we did consistently hit 4% GDP. Large deficits for awhile.
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Post  Guest Wed Mar 25, 2009 12:09 pm

Srsly... "Fact Check" on statements about "Projections"... ? Rolling Eyes

Beware! Gird your loins!

Obama gonna pull a rabbit out of his hat. drunken
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Post  Markwes Thu Apr 02, 2009 12:53 pm

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/elections/2009/04/02/myth-percent-guns-mexico-fraction-number-claimed/

EXCLUSIVE: You've heard this shocking "fact" before -- on TV and radio, in newspapers, on the Internet and from the highest politicians in the land: 90 percent of the weapons used to commit crimes in Mexico come from the United States.

-- Secretary of State Hillary Clinton said it to reporters on a flight to Mexico City.

-- CBS newsman Bob Schieffer referred to it while interviewing President Obama.

-- California Sen. Dianne Feinstein said at a Senate hearing: "It is unacceptable to have 90 percent of the guns that are picked up in Mexico and used to shoot judges, police officers and mayors ... come from the United States."

-- William Hoover, assistant director for field operations at the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives, testified in the House of Representatives that "there is more than enough evidence to indicate that over 90 percent of the firearms that have either been recovered in, or interdicted in transport to Mexico, originated from various sources within the United States."

There's just one problem with the 90 percent "statistic" and it's a big one:

It's just not true.
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Post  Guest Thu Apr 02, 2009 12:55 pm

I'd wager a guess that 90% of the weapons from the US come from Texas!

Go figure!
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Post  Pez Thu Apr 02, 2009 1:26 pm

meta4 wrote:I'd wager a guess that 90% of the weapons from the US come from Texas!

Go figure!

I heard a story about this the other day. the DOD intentionally set up defense contractors spread across all 50 states, in order to make it difficult to cut back spending on defense without arousing the ire of several members of congress, concerned about their constituents' jobs. Pretty clever if you ask me... any across the board spending decrease in defense will be attacked by 100 members of the senate...

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Post  Guest Thu Apr 02, 2009 4:45 pm

Pez wrote:
meta4 wrote:I'd wager a guess that 90% of the weapons from the US come from Texas!

Go figure!

I heard a story about this the other day. the DOD intentionally set up defense contractors spread across all 50 states, in order to make it difficult to cut back spending on defense without arousing the ire of several members of congress, concerned about their constituents' jobs. Pretty clever if you ask me... any across the board spending decrease in defense will be attacked by 100 members of the senate...

Yeah, and IF Russia invades, they'll have guns and ammo and lawyers stockpiled in each state.
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